On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have done just fine without flash for years.  For me it is very
> simple; if your site has flash it means:
> 1. I suddenly don't care
> 2. I will not purchase anything from you
> 3. I'll find alternatives who make my experience better
> 4. I'll save some time by not watching some retarded video
>
> It wouldn't be the first business/site I abandon.  It wouldn't be the
> first site at work that I simply reply to originators saying: "sorry
> can't view the content".
>
> Making excuses for flash isn't helping.  You can't say: "I agree but I
> use it anyway because I want teh nekid ladies".
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:40:43AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> This guy's day job is at a bank, and they're really into it-- it "solves" 
>> >> a
>> >> number of problems for them.  So if this is the kind of thing that
>> >> developers are going to pick up en masse, then it's something that will
>> >> need to be addressed, else people who won't or can't run Flash will be
>> >> increasingly marginalized.
>> >
>> > Flash is only good for a few things such as "naked ladies performing
>> > anatomic tricks", "dude getting punched in the ding-dong" & "Trogodor
>> > the burninator".  Nothing makes me happier than visiting a website and
>> > having some ad puking its irrelevant content on me.
>> >
>> > What's perplexing to me is that most people sit idle watching the
>> > internet as we know it disintegrate in front of their eyes.  Allowing
>> > themselves to be bombarded with ads.  Removing the actual reason for why
>> > html exists which is indexing content so that it can be retrieved and
>> > used by many.  Those people are all ok with being shat on as long as
>> > they can watch youtube or $whatever_infantile_site_here.  The 14 year
>> > old demographic is apparently the dominating one on teh intartubez
>> > these days.
>> >
>> > I for one can't wait to be marginalized.
>> >
>>
>> While I agree with you in many respects, I will also acknowledge that
>> there are plenty of legitimate cases where viewing flash content is
>> necessary. This is particularly true in artistic communities (and
>> increasingly so, for the reasons Daniel pointed out).
>>
>> Flash sure is shit, I'll agree.. and philosophically, I believe its
>> use continues its proliferation by adobe.. but regardless, casting it
>> all off isn't a viable solution. For example, if a site has
>> information I absolutely need to access (maybe you're researching a
>> particular artist or company that uses flash on their site, etc..)
>> your options are to either not view that content, attempt opera or
>> gnash or some other broken open alternative, or boot up windows.
>>
>> Not viewing the content doesn't help you.
>> opera and/or gnash are close options, sometimes
>> booting windows is not an option I feel good about even considering,
>> and as soon as I give away this extra laptop I have, there won't be
>> any windows here.
>>
>> so protest if you must, but I hope you can acknowledge a user's
>> legitimate use, as opposed to adobe's horrific domination, or
>> spammer's obsession with inducing seizures.
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> ~Jason
>> --
>> 401.837.8417
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

I agree, a flash site means "you don't want my business" for me. It's annoying.

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