On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:23:08PM +0000, Craig Skinner wrote: > On 2015-02-09 Mon 13:19 PM |, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > > My grandma, like a lot of non-technical people, just wants to send mail, > > she doesn't want to be trained, she wants to write a message and press a > > button and the message being sent. If it doesn't work that way, she will > > just not use mail. > > > > I could say my teenage children all want the keys to my cars, without > wanting to learn how to drive, or be old enough to take a test. >
This has got to be the most irrelevant analogy ever... > > She's like most internet users, she doesn't care or want to care how the > > message will be emitted, if you provide two ways and a simpler one, then > > she will pick up the simpler one. > > My girlfriends want to go to sea with me on a warship and fire torpedos. > They don't care how the weapon is emitted, they just want a way to make > a big splash, without doing the dicipline of military training. Meh.... > ... oh nope, you've surpassed it. > > If the user doesn't use PGP, with what public key do you encrypt his > > message ? or do you simply not write to him anymore ? > > > > For some things (legal, financial, medical), I've had to arrange offline > communications, because others wouldn't encrypt *some* emails. > Good for you. I'm sure this is what people will do... oh no wait... People actually open an account at Gmail/Yahoo/Microsoft because they do not give the slightest shit about these privacy concerns. They want mail that gets sent when pressing a button, and they want it so bad that even when most ISP provide an email address you can fetch with POP/IMAP, they go for Gmail/Yahoo/Microsoft because the webmail is simpler than dealing with the configuration of Outlook / Thunderbird. Get real, these people do not care about your concerns, they will go for the simplest solution and you will never convince them that they have to setup PGP, remember yet another passphrase for a keypair they need to be careful with, just so they can send an email... when the alternative can just be pressing a button. Trying to convince them to NOT SEND A MAIL and find an offline channel ? You're funny :-) > > Yes, PGP offers end-to-end and it's great. > > Most people don't use it. > > > > Yep. Usually, (social) mail does not need to be encrypted. > > Othertimes, some (e.g banking, business) emails need to encrypted > throughout their entire route & life. > > One hop on one machine isn't enough in these situations. > Yes. Yet PGP is marginal, inter-nodes encryption provides a layer of security where there would be none. It's better than nothing when the alternative is, well, nothing. Anyways, you have your opinions on this, we disagree, my aim is still to allow my grandma to send mail so I won't debate further. -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to [email protected] To unsubscribe, send a mail to: [email protected]
