Nick Conway wrote:
> I figured if they're sending MIDI "Control change" commands (as is documented
> for the Total Control jog wheels), then as long as you format it with the:
> [(status byte) 0xBn ] [ (1st data byte) controller byte] [(second data byte)
> value].
>
> Then the second data byte can mean whatever you want it to mean relevant to
> whatever is being controlled, be it position, velocity, delta velocity,
> whatever. You can have the value even get scaled the same way audio faders
> aren't linear and send that. I don't think the MIDI protocol is explicit
> about that and that's why I was curious.
Yeah. That's why we need those big nasty xml files to figure out which
knob is which. (And which items are knobs, buttons, sliders, and lights
...)
> If midi is operating constantly at peak frequency then it can send messages
> at over 1000 Hz (Isn't MIDI 31250 bps with 3 byte frames?) . That's pretty
> fast relevant to human perception, which I think was the point in MIDI
> design. It'd be nice to know how fast the actual velocity data gets updated
> by the controller.
Ok. Although, this device is sending midi data over the usb bus, so in
theory the actual midi bus limitations don't apply. Either way, I'm
betting the polling interval of the microcontroller inside the device
will be the bottleneck.
> I'm just confused for the necessity of these new "Hi-Def midi" even with
> latencies of 5 ms, like the VCI-300 and the numark NS7 (this one has
> motorized platters) in order to get better scratching. It seems like you
> just need to be able to sense speed changes faster and then send them, and
> has nothing to with the MIDI standard. I guess I'd need to work out the math
> and see how fast a scratchers hand moves when scratching. I suspect it's all
> on the encoder side of things and maybe even a part cost thing, like
> manufacturers were like "we are not putting expensive encoders in a product
> that we haven't proven there's a market for" and now that the market is well
> extablished the've figured out a better/cheaper speed sensing tech and are
> putting that in. But they have so much resolution now they don't know what
> to do with it, so they increased the transfer rate.
Agreed. I think 100Hz is plenty for any human interface device. I've
got a Korg KP3 which sends touchpad data over midi, but even that
doesn't really account for much bandwidth. I have to wonder if maybe
they're sending audio data or maybe graphics to small lcd displays or
somesuch. Then again, I don't do any scratching, so maybe I'm not
exercising these things as much as some DJs do.
Anyway, I'm attaching some midi dumps from the numark total control,
spinning the right side turntable in various ways, recorded with
kmidimon. The filenames explain what's being dumped... in this context,
a "fast" revolution was a quick 360, as fast as my finger could get it
around, probably 1/4 or 1/8 of a second (and there's probably a few
extra entries from when I took my finger off the turntable afterwards).
The slow revolutions took a second or two. And the spinning one was
just giving it a quick whap and letting it slow down on its one.
I'm hoping this will indicate how sensitive it is to angle and time. HTH,
Mark
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26585,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26575,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26565,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26556,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26546,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,2
26536,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,2
26535,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,12,62
26526,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26516,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26506,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26496,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26486,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,2
26476,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26467,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26447,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26437,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26427,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26417,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26398,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26378,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26368,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26348,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26339,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26329,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26319,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26299,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26280,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
26260,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
52480,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
52470,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,1
52351,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52342,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52332,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52322,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52312,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52302,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52292,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52283,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52273,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52263,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52253,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52243,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52233,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52224,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52213,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52204,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52194,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52184,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52175,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52164,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52155,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52145,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52135,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52125,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52116,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52105,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52096,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52086,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52076,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52066,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52056,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52046,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52036,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52027,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
52017,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
52007,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51997,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51987,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51978,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51968,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51958,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51948,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51938,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51928,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51919,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51909,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51899,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51889,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51879,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51869,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51860,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51850,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51840,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51830,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51820,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51810,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51800,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51791,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51780,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51771,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51761,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,122
51751,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51742,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51732,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,122
51722,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,123
51712,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,122
51702,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51692,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51683,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51672,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51663,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51653,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51643,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51633,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51624,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51613,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51604,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51594,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51584,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51574,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51564,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51555,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51545,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51535,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51525,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51515,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51505,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51496,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51486,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51476,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51466,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51456,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51446,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51436,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51427,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51417,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51407,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51397,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51387,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51378,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51368,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51358,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51348,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51338,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51328,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51319,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51309,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51299,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51289,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51279,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51269,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51260,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51250,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51240,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51230,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51220,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51210,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,124
51201,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51191,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51180,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51171,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51161,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51151,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51142,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51132,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51122,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51112,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51102,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51093,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51083,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51072,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51063,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
51053,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51043,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,125
51033,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51023,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51013,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
51003,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
50994,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,126
50984,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
50974,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
50954,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
50945,TotalTrack Control:0,Control change,1,24,127
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