On 01/17/2017 02:28 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: > Produce small merge-able, steps was one of our major goal for the > time-line the students have to setup for the their project. > Unfortunately there wasn't not many early merges in the last season, > because this somehow conflicts with the desired code quality and the > rule not to merge unfinished PRs or things that introduce a architecture > changes of an experimental nature.
Maybe we should not be accepting projects that require such large architectural changes then. > However, I am pretty satisfied with the outcome of last year, we have > the new library layout on the way to master and we have a new keyboard > mapping with a solid design, that is waiting for the last polish. > The same is true for the LV2 branch from an earlier year I am glad the library redesign is almost mergeable. I look forward to using it. However, seeing pull requests like the LV2 support and loop recorder PRs that have not had any activity in 2+ years and are accumulating merge conflicts does not make me very optimistic. > > GSoC allows us to start big changes, that are not doable (or not done) > in small PRs. For example the library layout was a pending project since > 2012 and the pile of work was so high and probably to fuzzy that no one > was willing to spend his spare time on it. Similar is true for the > keyboard mapping branch or the LV2 branch. I am not sure we should have GSoC students working on projects like this. Perhaps we should have GSoC students work on smaller features that do not require major architectural changes and can be broken into more discrete, mergeable steps. > > The problem of relying on more community feedback, is that it is very > slow. It does not match with the 40 h working week of the student, who > does not want just wait. I have softened encouraged the student to ask > for opinions on mixxx-devel, sometimes it works well, sometimes not. You are right. It is normal for PRs that are much smaller than typical GSoC projects we have had in the past to take several weeks from the time they are opened to the time they are merged. That is okay for a project driven by volunteers, but you are right that it is too slow for GSoC. Instead of requiring community review, if there were smaller PRs throughout the project, they could be open to community review without requiring it before merging as long as the mentor reviews it. > What can we improve? > > We should once more look closely to the student steps and make them > actually merge-able. > We may encourage the students to interact even more with the community. > We should try to decouple each steps that the community has time to > review the changes without blocking the students progress. I agree. What specifically can we do to make these changes? > > I do not think we should artificially reduce the GSoC slots, if we have > N excelent projects and a N mentors with time and fun, we should apply > for N slots. This gives the best chance to gain a long term contributor > which is IMHO the major benefit of GSoC. > > > > 2017-01-16 22:06 GMT+01:00 RJ Ryan <rr...@mixxx.org > <mailto:rr...@mixxx.org>>: > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:45 PM Thorsten Munsch > <thorsten.mun...@synthor.de <mailto:thorsten.mun...@synthor.de>> wrote: > > Do I understand it right? The students are behind the money they > may get > from Google and not after the knowledge they gain solving a specific > project? > > > The summer stipend of $4500 is a pittance for someone living in an > urban part of the US or EU, but something like an average > year's-salary in other countries. Given the economics, it's not > surprising there is far more interest in GSoC from countries where > the stipend is more valuable. > > > > I never studied, but always wanted to. Meanwhile I am in a good > position > w/o an exam and having not enough time/mood to contribute. > > Really sad to read that. > > > Cheers > Thorsten > > Am 16.01.2017 um 21:17 schrieb Ferran Pujol Camins: > > > > 2017-01-16 21:04 GMT+01:00 Be <b...@gmx.com > <mailto:b...@gmx.com> <mailto:b...@gmx.com <mailto:b...@gmx.com>>>: > > > > That is an interesting point that it doesn't matter much if a > > student is in it for the money if the community gets something > > positive out of it at the end. Requiring smaller PRs with > community > > review would help with that. > > > > > > > > Also fail a student early. It is highly encouraged by Google. > Then in > > future GSOCs we can warn: "Hey, last year we failed a student at > > mid-term because he did not meet our goals. Make sure you are > here for > > the right reasons." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > > http://mixxx.org > > > > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > http://mixxx.org > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > http://mixxx.org > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > http://mixxx.org > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
