Hi -

> From: Robert Kesterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I've been happily converting VHS tapes to DVD for archiving and everything
> is coming out *great*.  I just have two problems:

        *only* two? :)

> 1)  I can't predict how big the result will be so I sometimes encode too
> high a bitrate for a single DVD and have to do it over.  This wouldn't be

        Hmmm, using the default "-q 8" has never resulted in a movie that
        wouldn't fit on a single DVD - most of the time, especially when
        coming from VHS, "-q 6" isn't even close to pushing the limits (so I
        move to "-q 4").

> 2)  The process is horrifically slow.  To encode a two-hour video takes
> just about 24 hours on my Athlon XP 2100+, with very little else on the
> machine.  Yikes!

        Hmmm, I did two full length movies yesterday (one 79 minutes, the other
        87 minutes) in about 16 hours yesterday (and that includes the
        'makedvd' and burn time).

        What you really really need when running the denoiser is a dual cpu
        machine.   I've found that 'yuvdenoise' will take up almost all of
        one cpu and the mpeg2enc process almost all of the 2nd cpu.   It's
        fascinating to see a dual P4/Xeon system pegged for most of a day :)

> So, my two questions, obviously, are (a) how can I know what's a good
> bitrate to get the best quality and still fit two hours on a single DVD?
> and (b) how can I speed this up without sacrificing quality?

        For ~2hrs you need to hold to about 5000Kb/s.  If I remember the chart
        on the back of some brands of media the "HQ" (1hr) setting corresponds
        to ~10Mb/s, the "SP" (2hr) mode to 5Mb/s, and "LP" to about 3.5Mb/s

> (NOTE: My source material for the moment is very clean -- original
> purchased VHS tapes and home-recorded SVHS tapes.)

        still, VHS is such a low quality medium (inherently noisy) i would
        recommend using moderate ("-l 2"0 denoising.

        ALSO - you're not blacking out the crud that VCRs generate!  Grab
        a frame with something like:
        
                smil2yuv -f 1 -o 5600 INPUT.dv | y4mtoppm > foo
                gimp foo

        zoom in and look at the edges (the left edge in particular) and the
        bottom.   See all the headswitching and tape edge noise?   That costs
        a ton of bits to encode.

        When I do a capture from VHS (via the Canopus box) I see that the
        704 data pixels are not necessarily centered inside the 720 pixels of
        a DV frame.   To fix that I use the utility 'y4mshift' (included in
        the cvs version of mjpegtools).

        Use the border capability of yuvdenoise:

                yuvdenoise -b 14,4,692,468

        In my case, from a tape yesterday, I needed to shift the data 2 pixels
        to the right to create equal borders.  The pipeline looks like this:

                smil2yuv -a foo.wav ../foo.smil | \
                   y4mshift -n 2 | \
                   yuvdenoise -S 0 -r 16 -t 5 -l 3 -b 14,4,692,468 | \
                   yuvscaler -M BICUBIC -I USE_704x476+8+0 -O SIZE_704x480 | \
                   bfr -b 10m | \
                   mpeg2enc -M 2 -f 8 -q 4 -4 2 -2 1 -N -o $N.m2v

        and the resulting movie came out around ~4000Kb/s which would be 
        enough for ~2.5 hours I estimate.    Yes, you're cropping 6 pixels from
        each edge and 8 from the bottom but those are trash - at least they
        are (especially the bottom 8) on every VHS tape I've ever dealt with.

        The (small) scaling done is to create equal top/bottom borders of
        4 pixels each rather than 4 at top and 8 at the bottom - I doubt a ~1%
        scaling will be noticeable to the eye.

        You don't see the edges going black when playing on a TV due to TV sets
        overscanning - you'll see 'em when playing on a computer of course.

        Two other tips:   1) use 704x480 instead of 720x480 - saves ~2% of the
        size, and 2) use "-S 0" to the denoiser to avoid increasing the 
        bitnoise which sharpening tends to add.

        For cleaner material (SVHS) reducing "-l 3" to "-l 2" or even "-l 1"
        might be possible.   I've seen "-l 1" be quite effective with DV
        material (the very slight smoothing does wonders for the average
        bitrate!).

        Have Fun!

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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