Mmm and there are older stories up that also have canonocity problems... maybe they should be added to the site in the Canon section. But with a warning that they're quite old.
BTW anyone seen Dimensional? Eh he's probably traveling for thanksgiving. BTW I hope yours is delicious furson reading this On Nov 27, 2014 12:54 PM, "christian okane" <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok. Some comments from me. > > > > > > That old story from WIC is just that - old. Done before many elements > were fixed and it might have some canon issues. > > > > The taur ability is one where some people can do it and some cannot. > It's really up to the author. > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ryx > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:55 PM > *To:* Alex Green; Azariah Wolf > *Cc:* [email protected]; Jessica Nichols-Vernon > *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] Distant Voices > > > > Much as I'd like to snip out the full length story my mail proggy won't > let me - so forgiveness for the bulk of this post. > > > > Concerning the ability to shift between genders for those cursed with that > aspect - > > It CAN be done. Not easily, not not for protracted periods, but it can be > done. As well, those who have put effort into learning this can alter > their physical appearance rather dramatically. Normal is knockout > gorgeous, but it can be toned down to 'normal', and with some considerable > effort even 'ugly'. It could be hypothesized that some - particularly > those who have become spies - that they can even change certain aspects of > their appearance such as eye color, hair color and length, or even overall > skin tone (within the range of their race). Body mass can be more > problematic, but I could see that more would practice this form of > alteration so they're not overweight. Assumed muscle is not 'strength' > muscle, however. That still takes work and exercise. > > > > As with those who have learned the 'taur shifting ability in previous - > canon - stories, it should be expected that those with the gender and age > versions can assume a degree of control over their curse given a lot of > time and considerable practice, and by exerting a large measure of self > will. Becoming 'taur is not easy, and few truly master it, while pretty > much all animorphs can assume various forms of their new species, though > size can be an issue they have to work on (becoming a true, normal 1lb rat > takes some effort, but being one closer to the general mass of the > character does not. Larger species, such as horses, have a much easier > time of these alterations). > > > > I would like to state - though some may disagree - that transgenders > cannot reproduce beyond the limits of their new gender. If they have > become female, no amount of masculine shifting will allow them to father > children. Likewise for those who have been made male. > > > > Similarly, those with the pedomorph curse can make themselves look adult, > again with considerable effort and not for protracted periods of time. > Altering themselves within the range of the curse - toddler to young > adolescence - is much easier since that is already the established normal > range. > > > > We have already established these rare abilities throughout the setting > and should not put a boot down on further exploration of such. > > > > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:54 PM, Alex Green < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Just a few points I'd like to add; > > > > You should be able to access the link if you're a member of the *TSA-Talk > mailing list*. It's the *TSA-Talk mailing list* archive. The sign-in page > requires the email address and password that you used to sign-up for the > *TSA-Talk > mailing list*. > > > > I posted this link because although the story has many non-cannon > elements, I thought it would be a good idea to see how Malisa's creator > intended her to be. > > > > The biggest issue with the story is it basically outright states that > anyone with the TG curse can switch between genders while explaining the > reason Malisa can't. It also talks about portals to other universes. There > were a few other little details of questionable canonicity as well. > > > > Calling herself Matt isn't just a throwback to her male name; it's an > important part of her character. She despises her sex change so much that > she tries to do everything she possibly can to remain masculine; she uses > what little control over the curse she has to force her breasts as small as > possible; she cuts her hair short; she wears men's clothes; she exercises > for hours at a time to maintain a more masculine figure; and she has > everyone refer to her as Matt or Matthew. She is referred to as Matt 112 > times and Matthew 31 times in the story. She's only referred to as Malisa > once. > > > > That particular story was posted November 27th only five days after the > original Metamor Keep story was posted. (looks like Metamor Keep just > celebrated it's 17th birthday last Saturday. We should really make some > sort of effort to point out the anniversary every year. (Metamor Keep was > posted to the TSA-Talk list on Saturday, November 22nd 1997.)) A lot of > stories from the first two weeks had issues especially because it took a > while for Copernicus to lay down the rules for the setting. Even > Copernicus's second story (an attempt to fix a continuity error) was later > declared non-canon when the original reason for the continuity error was > retconned. > > > > I found the rest of Winc's (Mal's, Matt's, Matthew's, Malisa's (wow, > that's almost as many names as Hawl has)) stories in the Distant Voices arc > and Metamor Keep universe. I can't comment on them as I haven't read them > yet. > > > > The Team > > Part 1 > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019217.html > > Part 2 > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019282.html > > > > Midtown > > Part 1 > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019474.html > > Part 2 > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019475.html > > > > Three days after Midtown was posted, Winc left the TSA-Talk mailing list > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019740.html>, > and asked for someone to take over Malisa and her story line. I don't know > if anyone ever did, but there's nothing in the official archive about this > story line so for all practical purposes the answer is no. > > > > Scratch that, Winc came back a month later, re-posted an edited version of > Distant > Voices > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-January/020564.html>, > posted some notes on the storyline > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023181.html>, > posted three > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023180.html> more > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023182.html> parts > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1998-April/023183.html>, changed > names again, and promised to post more MK > <http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1999-February/032546.html>, > and that's as much as I've found so far. > > > > Also, I found a bit more on Jenn: > > > > Character info: > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019324.html > > Story: The Alchemy of Love (Part 1) > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-December/019323.html > > > > I didn't find a second part to Alchemy of love. > > > > I hope this was helpful, or informative, or at least not too confusing, > > -AlexSurikat > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Azariah Wolf <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I strongly object to you using your own stories as grounds for determining > the canonicity of a story. If you had left it at "people can change > between genders", which I can neither confirm nor deny because I can't > access the story in question, maybe I'd go easier on you, but your second > paragraph goes on to basically proclaim your stories as gospel canon by > stating that the character has long black hair and large breasts. Alex > already stated that yours are the only stories where these details are > mentioned outside of Distant Voices, and I'm more inclined to go with what > appears to have been an origin story than with what you added seven years > later from personal preference. > > Also, having the character called Matt is likely as much a callback to her > male name, and thus has no bearing on whether or not this story is canon. > > Considering that the archive dates this story at some time in 1997, I > would say that the oddity of letting people change genders is most likely a > misunderstanding of what was at that time a new story universe. I move to > consider the description of the character in the story as canon, while > leaving the story itself outside of canon due to this misunderstanding. > > -LurkingWolf > > > > On 11/26/2014 4:24 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > http://lists.integral.org/private/tsa-talk/1997-November/019174.html > > Alex brought this story to our attention, I previously didn't know the > tale existed and I don't think many of us did. I vote that it's added to > the non-canon section. I haven't finished reading it, but in it some people > afflicted with the curse can change to and from the two sexes, which is not > the case in the series proper. > > Additionally, Malisa's physical appearance is different than what it's > been listed in the canon events (Small breasts, short brown hair Vs. Large > Breasts, long black hair) and finally she goes by Matt instead of Malisa. > > Incidentally, I do find it interesting that a few elements of Malisa's > character that I thought I had made up are in this story. Eh, not quite > sure what to make of it. > > All in favor? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MKGuild mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MKGuild mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MKGuild mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > > >
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