On 2016-06-13, Dan Dennedy <d...@dennedy.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 6:00 PM Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-13, Carl Karsten <c...@personnelware.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Grant Edwards <
>> grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It looks like I could use -transition and ramp gamma and audio gain to
>> >> do the same thing, but then (AFAICT) I need to know the frame numbers
>> >> where I want to start/end the fade out.
>> >>
>> >> Can you somehow index back from the end of a clip (e.g. frame 1 is the
>> >> first frame; frame 2 is the second frame; frame -1 is the last frame,
>> >> frame -2 is the frame before the last frame).  Then transitions could
>> >> be applied to the end of a clip without having to know how long it is.
>> >>
>> >> All the examples I find of applying a transition to the end of a clip
>> >> require knowing how long it is.
>>
>
> not when using -mix...

Right. But mix only mixes between two clips that both have video and
audio.  What do you do if you simply want reduce volume to 0 and gamma
to 0 over the last 60 frames?  One (IMO rather bad) answer is you have
to create a clip that contains black frames and a silent audio track
and cross fade to that.

Wouldn't it be simpler to just ramp gamma and audio volume?  It would
reduce the number of clips involved by 2/3.

> Property animation supports a negative time values to mean from the
> end of a clip:
> https://www.mltframework.org/bin/view/MLT/PropertyAnimation
>
> However, only some properties of some effects support animation (or
> geometry animation). See the bottom of that page. Note to self to review
> that list against git log to see if there are some additions.

That's cool.  Now I just have to figure how to do that with melt. :)

[Unfortunately, using such a common English word as the program name
renders Google rather useless.]

-- 
Grant


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