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I wrote Apple a looong time ago - must be 10 years ago or more - asking
about making a copy or getting source to the Apple ][ rom (i had an
apple ][). Their response was that they couldn't because of third
party code. I know int he case of Netscape they had to take out
some 3rd party modules before shipping - disentangle them. I've never
seen unix source - but just from the copyrights on the *header files* I
would say it would be legally near impossible to get everyone who has
rights to agree to release source.. [just something to think about].
You are right of course, the GPL and LGPL do not force anyone to do
anything. Unfortunately among some different companies I know of (not
my employer) there is a perception that anything GPL or even LGPL is
like contagious, out to get you.. so don't touch it. When in reality
the terms are pretty well spelled out. This is as much a
perception/education problem as anything. Similarly, people using
open source (present company excluded, i'm sure) tend to think that
just because it comes out of a company, it must be run by robots or
something, and that an end user has no hope of commenting or even
interacting with the develpoers.. so people make private, work around
hacks rather than contacting us, filing bugs, etc. I mean yeah if you
buy something off the shelf there is often a low or medium expectation
of how responsive the company is - but a good open source project is
open in the communication sense as well. Getting people to take
advantage of communication (meaning 2 ways) is very difficult sometimes.
#include <std/disclaimer.h> - // speak for myself, not my employer,
nor vice versa!
On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 01:58 AM, Ramon Casha wrote:
> Angelo Dalli wrote:
>
> I don't think UNIX (or in the case of IBM, AIX) will ever be released
> publicly because of the intellectual property in it.
>
> There was intellectual property in StarOffice, Netscape and many other
> products too, yet the companies in question decided to release them as
> open source. Of course it's only speculation so far, the asking price
> may be too much.
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I wrote Apple a looong time ago - must be 10 years ago or more -
asking about making a copy or getting source to the Apple ][ rom (i
had an apple ][). Their response was that they couldn't because of
third party code. I know int he case of Netscape they had to take
out some 3rd party modules before shipping - disentangle them. I've
never seen unix source - but just from the copyrights on the *header
files* I would say it would be legally near impossible to get everyone
who has rights to agree to release source.. [just something to think
about].
You are right of course, the GPL and LGPL do not force anyone to do
anything. Unfortunately among some different companies I know of (not
my employer) there is a perception that anything GPL or even LGPL is
like contagious, out to get you.. so don't touch it. When in reality
the terms are pretty well spelled out. This is as much a
perception/education problem as anything. Similarly, people using
open source (present company excluded, i'm sure) tend to think that
just because it comes out of a company, it must be run by robots or
something, and that an end user has no hope of commenting or even
interacting with the develpoers.. so people make private, work around
hacks rather than contacting us, filing bugs, etc. I mean yeah if you
buy something off the shelf there is often a low or medium expectation
of how responsive the company is - but a good open source project is
open in the communication sense as well. Getting people to take
advantage of communication (meaning 2 ways) is very difficult
sometimes.
#include <<std/disclaimer.h> - // speak for myself, not my employer,
nor vice versa!
On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 01:58 AM, Ramon Casha wrote:
<excerpt><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Angelo Dalli wrote:
<fixed><bigger>I don't think UNIX (or in the case of IBM, AIX) will
ever be released publicly because of the intellectual property in
it.</bigger></fixed>
There was intellectual property in StarOffice, Netscape and many other
products too, yet the companies in question decided to release them as
open source. Of course it's only speculation so far, the asking price
may be too much.
</color></excerpt>
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