Yeah - after listening to the podcast I was on the fence about it too… I
think they bring up good points on the tradeoffs of both (even the hosts
were split on their preference at the end).

I was initially attracted towards the git methodology as it gets these
business decisions out of the code base - but I also think that having
these flags that work at runtime (from a debug menu) is really valuable for
testing purposes.

One thing I am not convinced on is that there will be "less work at the
end" when integrating features into a release with the feature flag
methodology - I feel like that could still be a problem if you are not
merging/rebasing. They discussed this in the podcast almost as an aside -
but it is entirely possible to develop conflicting features using feature
flags if developers do not coordinate (I feel this is really an orthogonal
issue to enabling features).

Still - I think the feature flag solution has promise - but I am way more
interested in it if we do it as run time option to get the testing/QA
benefits.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Bernd Sitzmann <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have not listened to the podcast yet, but my opinion is similar to what
> Brian described.
> So, +1 for feature flags.
>
> Bernd
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Brian Gerstle <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Listened to it this morning, gotta say I think I'm on "Team Flag," if
>> it's done well.  IMO we should try one (or both) and see how it goes.
>> Here's my take on each approach:
>>
>> Branches are cheap to implement, but come at the a potentially high cost
>> if you don't continually rebase and try to keep the work scope as small as
>> possible.  At a previous job we used git submodules as pseudo feature
>> branches.  There were common problems w/ dependencies between branches and
>> between branches and the main repo, which as the hosts mention are often
>> pushed later in the process.
>>
>> Flags are more expensive to implement up front, but allow for truly
>> continuous integration and delivery—as well as the potential for gradual
>> rollout.  IMO it could also lead to better architected code since feature
>> flags require you to codify the boundaries between the "platform" and the
>> features (and between the features themselves).  You also need to limit
>> global state and have good test coverage (which we should do anyway) in
>> order to keep undesired side-effects to a minimum.  My previous job also
>> switched to this model and was able to improve their release cadence and
>> sync between features (IIRC, don't have any concrete evidence to back it up
>> unfortunately).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Corey Floyd <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As luck would have it, a very good tech podcast I subscribe to recently
>>> discussed this subject. It is a pretty good listen and discusses trade offs
>>> for both feature flags and branching.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://edgecasesshow.com/123-whats-the-deal-with-nsinteger.html
>>>
>>> (Topic is covered in the 2nd half of the show)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 9, 2015, Dan Duvall <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One very simple model that I think works well with distributed software
>>>> (and should play somewhat nice with Gerrit) is to branch per minor release
>>>> (assuming somewhat semantic versioning). In this model, master can continue
>>>> to serve as an integration branch, bug fixes are developed against the
>>>> release branch and merged following each patch release, and features are
>>>> developed against master per usual. With Gerrit in the mix, you're
>>>> essentially left with a two-stage merge for bug fixes which can be a bit of
>>>> extra work to get them merged into master, but at least the pipeline is
>>>> greased for getting them released.
>>>>
>>>> I can't say whether this would fit your team's workflow and, as Corey
>>>> mentioned, there are many different branching models to consider, each with
>>>> its own focus and drawbacks.[1][2] The one I've outlined above is geared
>>>> more for stability and maintenance but can probably be tweaked for more
>>>> frequent releases of features as well. I'm happy to brainstorm further.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://blog.codinghorror.com/software-branching-and-parallel-universes/
>>>> [2] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb668955.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Corey Floyd <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feature flags would help, but they also add an extra development
>>>>> investment to make sure all features are engineered in a way that a flag
>>>>> can shut them off without other bad things happening (not necessarily a 
>>>>> bad
>>>>> thing, but require more effort).
>>>>>
>>>>> Another route to go is to manage this in git using the branches. There
>>>>> are several methodologies for this, and your branching strategy will 
>>>>> depend
>>>>> mostly on how the team wants to operate. Pretty much all of them boil down
>>>>> to NOT merging features into master that are not going to be deployed 
>>>>> after
>>>>> the current sprint.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Tomasz Finc <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excited to see this. In order for this to be successful we'll want to
>>>>>> developer a health dashboard for the app and set alarming for it
>>>>>> whenever we dip above/below certain thresholds. One of the challenges
>>>>>> that you face when releasing often is that the amount of attention you
>>>>>> keep during small iterative releases. It's easy to keep very focused
>>>>>> for 2-3 releases but after that attention can drift to just the major
>>>>>> releases. And while it's great to read reviews and find out a
>>>>>> subjective metric of how we're doing we need to get in front of it
>>>>>> with objective metrics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus having an app health dashboard showcasing: search, readership,
>>>>>> editing, etc can easily show you if you've had any regressions. These
>>>>>> would not only be useful for small bug fix releases but would also
>>>>>> help validate our major product releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll leave it with you guys to define what metrics are necessary to
>>>>>> define a healthy app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --tomasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Dan Garry <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There is a long time between production release on Android. The
>>>>>> reason for
>>>>>> > this is because we have featured merged into master that are sound
>>>>>> from an
>>>>>> > engineering standpoint, but aren't quite ready for release yet.
>>>>>> These
>>>>>> > features often block production releases.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As product owner, pushing out regular bug fix builds would make me
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> > happy! But there is a requirement that we are able to not push out
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> > that are merged but not ready for production yet. This can probably
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> > managed by feature flags.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dan Duvall (on cc) from Release Engineering will consult to help
>>>>>> Dmitry and
>>>>>> > Bernd figure out what their process should be for maximum
>>>>>> effectiveness.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dan
>>>>>> >
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