On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Ulf Buermeyer <ub2...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > Hi, > > just reporting (not subscribing to) the privacy issues ... and IIRC > there was also a "non-free maps in the context of free knowledge" issue > being raised. > Interesting, since Apple uses OSM to power Apple Maps <https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2012/10/02/apple-maps/>. > > > Anyhow, if what Brian suggests is generally accepted then I'm happy to > update my patch (using Apple maps) to the current state of the app & > submit a new pull request. OSM could always be added lated - I feel it's > a great way to point users to what free content has to offer by now. > > Let me know. > > Best, Ulf > > > On 20/03/15 16:10, Brian Gerstle wrote: > > Ulf, thanks bring me up to speed. I'd love to make this happen, so I've > > written some responses inline. > > * > > * > > *TL;DR;* I disagree with privacy concerns raised in the PR and (in my > > non-legal-expert-opinion) think we should be able to do this w/o > > affecting user privacy or complicated workarounds. > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ulf Buermeyer <ub2...@columbia.edu > > <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Brian & all, > > > > that's basically what I implemented last year (but for articles with > > geocoordinates): > > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-ios-wikipedia/pull/3 > > > > The addition was rejected for policy reasons (see discussion in the > PR) > > - iOS hits Apple servers to download maps and thereby reveals the > users' > > locations to Apple. > > > > > > This was before I joined the org. Though I'm reluctant to, I'd like to > > revisit this debate because I feel we'd be adding a non-trivial amount > > of complexity (maintenance cost) to the app when it can be avoided. > > > > First, showing a map with annotations on it does not require knowing the > > user's location. We can simply render a map for a given coordinate > > region and decorate it with annotations from the article. To put it > > plainly, does looking up map data about Egypt tell Apple that I'm Egypt? > > > > Second, and most importantly, we're already giving Apple the user's > > location for the Nearby feature. If we wanted to show the user's > > location, we could simply ask for it. > > > > > > > > Thus we thought we might rather use OpenStreetMap data: If you cache > the > > tiles on a proxy operated by Wikimedia, then nobody's privacy will be > > harmed. The OSM tile server guys would probably prefer you to do that > > anyway (server load on their side would be HUGE if that's rolled out > in > > production). > > > > > > Only issue (besides setting up the proxy) was to keep iOS from > loading > > Apple data. That's now feasible as of iOS7 using [MKOverlay > > canReplaceMapContent] => YES. > > > > > > IMO, the cost of implementing and maintaining all of this does not > > justify the benefit to the user. We can add a lot of user value with > > other features, and in this case simply prompt the user with an "Open > > With..." dialog to view it in an app of their choice. This shouldn't be > > necessary, as we can render maps in the Wikipedia app without requiring > > user location. > > > > > > > > Best, Ulf > > > > > > On 20/03/15 15:38, Brian Gerstle wrote: > > > > > Adding a native map view to display nearby locations on a map > sounds > > > like a great feature! Are there any links to mock-ups of what the > > > feature is supposed to look like? I ask because it's not clear > why we > > > need custom map tiles or URL protocols instead of simple > annotations & > > > annotation views. These are straightforward to implement and fully > > > backwards compatible. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Adam Baso <ab...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org> > > > <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > Migrating thread to mobile-l, with Ulf's permission. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Ulf Buermeyer < > ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu> > > > <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu>>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > if you're deprecating iOS6 then the solution might be to > just > > > implement > > > > > > [MKOverlay canReplaceMapContent] > > > > > > and return YES. This effectively prevents iOS from loading > Apple map > > > content: > > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/MapKit/Reference/MKOverlay_protocol/#//apple_ref/occ/intfm/MKOverlay/canReplaceMapContent > > > > > > As for the MKTileOverlay, that would be an option as well, > I'm > > > just not > > > sure how efficient it is for caching OSM content - the > > > documentation is > > > silent on that point: > > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/MapKit/Reference/MKTileOverlay_class/index.html > > > > > > And as I already have the drawing code we could go with > that. > > > > > > Best, Ulf > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19/03/15 01:49, Adam Baso wrote: > > > > > > > Oops, /now/ I'm CC'ing Max. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Monte Hurd < > mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org>> > > > > <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ulf, I was also thinking we could maybe use a custom > NSURLProtocol > > > > to intercept the MKMapView's requests for the apple > map tiles > > > > (instead of a "overlay only" mode - would have the > same effect I > > > > think). Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Adam Baso < > ab...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org>> > > > > <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org <mailto: > ab...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ulf, > > > >> > > > >> Great meeting you! > > > >> > > > >> Hi there - I was wondering if there was perhaps a > way to make use > > > >> of MKTileOverlay for achieving these ends? We're > going to be > > > >> deprecating iOS 6 in the relatively near future, > and this is an > > > >> iOS 7+ thing. > > > >> > > > >> > http://nshipster.com/mktileoverlay-mkmapsnapshotter-mkdirections/ > > > >> > > > >> I've CC'd Max Semenik, who may have some insight > into tiling > > > >> server options at Wikimedia. > > > >> > > > >> -Adam > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Monte Hurd < > mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org>> > > > >> <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto: > mh...@wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org <mailto:mh...@wikimedia.org>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Good seeing you again as well Ulf! > > > >> > > > >> I'll check out the OpenRadar ticket and > experiment some more > > > >> with your maps patch. > > > >> > > > >> Exciting stuff!!! > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ulf Buermeyer > > > >> <ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto: > ub2...@columbia.edu> > > <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu>> > > > <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu> > > <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu <mailto:ub2...@columbia.edu>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> good to see you guys today! I just wanted > > to keep you > > > >> posted about that > > > >> maps issue. In fact I re-filed a rdar with > > Apple > > > in order > > > >> to have them > > > >> add an "overlay only" mode to MKMapView > today > > > (the other > > > >> one had been > > > >> closed w/o any feedback). See my OpenRadar > for > > > this issue: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.openradar.me/20132462 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> For your reference here is the pull request > I > > > issued last > > > >> year (that's > > > >> effectively the code for what I showed to > Moiz > > > today): > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-ios-wikipedia/pull/3 > > > >> > > > >> I'd be happy to work with you on a solution > > that > > > complies with > > > >> Wikimedia's policies as I think that maps > for > > > articles or > > > >> even an > > > >> initial "places around you" feature with > > pins on > > > a map > > > >> would be very > > > >> useful additions to the Wikipedia app. > > > >> > > > >> All the best, Ulf > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mobile-l mailing list > > > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > EN Wikipedia user page: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle > > > IRC: bgerstle > > > > > > > > > > -- > > EN Wikipedia user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle > > IRC: bgerstle > > -- EN Wikipedia user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle IRC: bgerstle
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