OK, if it's intentional as I suspected, then it's fine :)
Gender will be an issue with any word. For the particular case of this
table it doesn't actually matter, because it refers to multiple users, but
if you ever write a message that refers to a particular known user, please
make sure that it supports {{GENDER}}.
I updated the qqq documentation for the message - please check that it
makes sense:
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Gather-lists-collection-owner/qqq
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2015-03-30 19:55 GMT+03:00 Jon Katz <[email protected]>:
> Thanks, Alex! I see, now.
>
> Amir, you guessed it: owner is intentional in this space because it is
> really important that anyone potentially moderating this knows that it is
> not a collaborative work and it very much is the opinion of the person who
> created it. It is going to be a big mind-shift for moderators to
> dramatically loosen the restrictions on this feature (collections need not
> be: npov, factually accurate, non-personal, notable).
>
> Is there any word in other languages that you feel's captures this without
> implying gender? Creator? I think curator is a little wordy and we might
> have collaboration at some point (with permissions granted by the 'owner')
>
> -J
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Indeed it is only API documentation and the label of the user column on
>> the administration view Special:GatherLists so it isn't something *widely*
>> visible.
>>
>> I'm fine with renaming it to whatever you guys feel is appropiate.
>>
>> I've created a phab task to track this on the current sprint, we can
>> continue conversation there https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94391
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Alex Monk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing it's one of these:
>>> alex@alex-laptop:~/Development/MediaWiki/extensions/Gather (master)$
>>> grep -i owner i18n/en.json
>>> "gather-lists-collection-owner": "Owner",
>>> "apihelp-gather-param-owner": "Owner of the collections to search for.
>>> If omitted, defaults to current user.",
>>> alex@alex-laptop:~/Development/MediaWiki/extensions/Gather (master)$
>>> grep gather-lists-collection-owner includes/* -R
>>> includes/specials/SpecialGatherLists.php: . Html::element( 'span',
>>> array(), wfMessage( 'gather-lists-collection-owner' ) )
>>> So I'm guessing this is at
>>> https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:GatherLists - the first column
>>> shows as "Owner" in English.
>>> It also shows up in the API.
>>>
>>> On 30 March 2015 at 05:53, Jon Katz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Amir,
>>>> I want to help on this, but am not sure where this shows up. Can you
>>>> refer us to where in the interface owner appears?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am translating Gather, and I feel very uncomfortable about the term
>>>>> "Owner".
>>>>>
>>>>> It's challenging to translate, because in the languages I care about -
>>>>> Hebrew and Russian - it requires gender. Now gender can be added without
>>>>> too much technical effort, but there's still the general feeling of
>>>>> discomfort - "owner" is a strong word in the Wikimedia world, which should
>>>>> usually be avoided without a good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was this word chosen intentionally, to show that lists are, in fact,
>>>>> owned, and privately curated?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it could be changed to something like "maintainer", "curator" or
>>>>> something else? Or simply "User"?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>>>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>>>> “We're living in pieces,
>>>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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