That sounds like a very good idea for labels. Not quite a game, but I have something along those lines running for a while. Example: Monet. http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/cloudy_concept.php?q=Q296&lang=en
Every time a label is set in a language, it would potentially improve dozens or hundreds of auto-descriptions. Which is one reason why we should NOT flood the manual description field with one-off text generation; they need to be updated, and figuring out which descriptions we can overwrite is next-to-impossible. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 1:17 PM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > Well we should start by filling blank descriptions of course. I should > have gone on to explain that in my experience of using listeria lists in my > userspace on the Dutch wikipedia, I have noticed lots of Wikidata > infrastructure that hasn't been translated yet. So in my example of the > Monet painting, in some languages it would not look like "creator > Monet|instance painting" but like "Qxyz Monet|Qefg Qklm" (worst case > scenario where only the item for Monet has been propagated to all 200+ > languages). Having a game where such auto descriptions can be served to > people who are able to fill in labels and descriptions could be useful for > more than just the one item. > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah, but when auto-descriptions get better, how do we know which should be >> updated, and which have been "improved" bu humans? Because people will >> screem bloody murder if we replace "their" descriptions with automatic >> ones, even if those are better. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 7:53 AM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. This could be a prompt >>> to make a game that offers to update the description with an auto-generated >>> text. So for a Monet painting, the description could be "creator >>> Monet|instance painting". We have over 100,000 paintings on Wikidata thanks >>> to the Sum of all Paintings project (yay!) and most museums only have >>> titles in the language it was created in and the language of the museum, so >>> we are a looooong way from creating meaningful titles for all of these and >>> meaningful short descriptions would be a real benefit to the project. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Lydia Pintscher < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:43 AM, Dan Garry <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > I've seen arguments on both sides here. Some say automatically >>>> generated >>>> > descriptions are not good enough. Some say they are. Why don't we >>>> gather >>>> > some data on this and use that to decide what's right? :-) >>>> >>>> Please do. Especially pay attention to languages other than English >>>> though. Because even if we get algorithms to write good descriptions >>>> for English are we going to do the same for all the other languages? >>>> Especially those where grammar is tricky and Wikidata doesn't even >>>> have the necessary information to make the grammar right? The other >>>> tricky side is determining why something is actually notable. That's >>>> not a trivial thing to determine based on the data we have. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Lydia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >>>> Product Manager for Wikidata >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >>>> Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 >>>> 10963 Berlin >>>> www.wikimedia.de >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. >>>> >>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg >>>> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das >>>> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mobile-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>> >> >
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