I would tend to agree with this on several points, but I have a few things to add (I
didn't want this to be a "Me Too!" post.)
A lot of the mindshare for this space has been taken over by Java. While some of you
out there have actually tried to implement something in Java, then ran screaming back
to Perl with your hair on fire, others aren't so "Lucky". I've been researching
ecommerce and content management solutions for my company (take a guess who), and the
Java technologies are *filled* with marketing hype that makes all the business users
drool. I almost bought into it completely.
I don't want to suggest that the Perl community should stoop as low as Java, but they
have a very good thing going for them. They're presenting their data (very very
skewed data, but data nontheless) in a very whizz-bang fashion, saying all the right
words like "Inheritance", "Encapsulation", and bunches of other things that the
marketroids gloss over at and think "Wow, this must be great stuff if I can't
understand it!". What do we say with perl? "Scripting language", "Package",
"Subroutine", "Array" and "Hash". While we can do almost everything that Java can do
(we can, can't we?), we can do it a whole lot faster, in an easy-to-code fashion.
I don't know what I'm getting at here, but I see that Perl is half a step behind Java
in many ways, except for the performance issues (which perl is leagues ahead). For my
company, we're probably going Java, but it sorta makes sense for us (we need an
enterprise solution now...not when the Perl community gets around to it).
Thanks for listening to my rant, and good hunting everyone!
-man
Michael A Nachbaur
mike(at)nachbaur(dot)com
http://www.nachbaur.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stas Bekman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:50 AM
To: mod_perl list
Subject: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection
Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me,
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book,
have some rest and make a push to mod_perl.
Yesterday I've updated the stats page:
http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ and the results are so-so, we go down on
the number of domains. Which I suppose mainly caused by people reading the
guide and deploying the front-end proxy solution, thus making mod_perl
un-seen by various scanners like netcraft.
In Paris we couldn't hire a single mod_perl programmer, because people
don't even know what that. They know a lot about php and ASP. It's true
that they don't even know what's Perl :(
But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons:
1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads)
2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest.
mod_perl lucks the corporate money/PR to get pushed. But we can still work
on the exposure, which will bring corporate money/PR thru the word of the
mouth.
Luckily Matt has got sick of waiting for someone to work on the advocacy
of mod_perl and he has just taken over it. Having a good informational
site is good, but it's not enough. We need to solve the problem of people
to find this site and wanting to use mod_perl. Solution? Spreading the
word.
I see two main streams:
1) Online zines.
2) Conferences.
I think that we should start working on locating ezines wanting to publish
mod_perl related articles (preferrably for a fee, to give incentives for
others to write) and conferences where mod_perl can be relevant. The data
is to be collected and distributed to the people who wish to advocate
mod_perl, thru written articles and conference classes. I suppose that we
will also look for companies who want to order mod_perl classes and find
the teachers in the appropriate areas.
May be we could organize some certification classes, to give more PR to
mod_perl.
I suppose that much more can be done. Comments are welcome.
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Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker
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