Some of you will find this interesting, but I'd be hesistant placing too
much emphasis on it, since it's really just one programmer's view of the
cubes he can see.

Java programmers are "dime a dozen"

they must breed like rabbits

we've got tons of them

but where do you get a corporate experienced, clean-cut (75%, at least)
person willing to put on the tie 5 days a week and do mod_perl?

that's the only rational I have ever heard as to why we don't have more
mod_perl here. It's obviously much faster than the java pages (which we
spend god awful $$$ on, have you ever have a weblogic server? It's gotta be
50K at least just to say Hi)


I'd also guess that someone has thought if you can't buy a support contract,
it can't be safe to have.





-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Hollin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:54 PM
Cc: mod_perl list
Subject: Re: OSCON ideas


Perrin Harkins wrote:

> Several people have brought up benchmarking in reference to the pet
> store.  I don't think it will possible to do a good benchmark of this 
> application, partly because it's so big (it's a reference app that uses 
> lots of functionality just to demonstrate it) and partly because it's 
> well known that the J2EE pet store performs badly.  It does not 
> represent anyone's best efforts to make a high-performance Java store.

An excellent point.

> If people are more concerned with seeing something that would dispel
> myths about Perl performance, rather than a talk on feature portability 
> from J2EE to Perl, I could look at implementing something that really 
> can be benchmarked like the TPC-W spec or the Doculabs Nile Bookstore 
> benchmark.  These would be more comparable to existing Java and .NET 
> performance tests.

The saliva begins to leak from my lips...

> Personally it would warm my heart to help enable a press release 
> saying
> something like "Perl blows away previous price/performance leaders on 
> TPC-W benchmark", but I don't know if hearing about that would be as 
> interesting to people as the other things I proposed.

Oh yes, now this is more like it.

> Regardless, I think that posting a good reference implementation of 
> one
> of these specs might get mod_perl some good attention from the 
> business-oriented mags that usually focus on Java, and would be a 
> valuable marketing tool.

I think I've just had an orgasm.  ;-)

Perrin, you've probably gathered by now that IMHO you've struck gold 
here.  I honestly don't know why this hasn't been done before. 
Obviously it would be great for all mod_perl programmers to be able to 
direct their PHBs and/or clients to a paper that validates and justifies 
the use of mod_perl.  I, for one, really hope you pursue this.


-- 
Jonathan M. Hollin

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