At the very least even if there is no certification, perhaps just a
training course on mod_perl from Merlyn/Stonehenge would act in lieu of such.
If I knew someone had trained for a week with Randal's company in either OO
Perl technology (PROM) or mod_perl (a course that doesn't seem to exist on
StoneHenge yet), I would definitely take more than a 2nd glance at a stack
of CVs that all claim to know Perl equally well.
It's not about blindly hiring someone with certs or a training course, but
about sifting through a ton of CVs where everyone and sometimes their
mothers claim they know Java and/or Perl and shortlisting them among the
ones to call.
Of course, I don't have that problem in Singapore where few people claim to
know Perl -- but in UK and USA, I always had people writing Perl this and
Perl that on their CVs.
Just the fact that StoneHenge could act as a spreader of mod_perl
technology through its training would perhaps add some legitimacy. Where do
people go for mod_perl training now? They have to wait for ApacheCon and
PerlCon. And even then (no offense to Stas great presentations) it's a day
or two course in a lecture rather than hands-on format.
A lecture format is great for spreading the word at the conferences, but
hands-on training would be even better. Or perhaps there isn't a demand for
mod_perl training in which case I guess that's a business decision.
I think I was wrong the cert thing... perhaps it is premature. I don't
think I am wrong that a cert would be a good idea eventually -- and
hopefully it will be a debate we can have next year when its hopefully
applicable. And for now it is probably correct that if a person knows
mod_perl they will be snapped up in the job market anyway.
At 12:59 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Jimi Thompson wrote:
>When MCSE's were just starting to be issued, no one thought that they were
>important either. However, the PHB's who do the hiring said "Oooooo, you
>have a
>sheet of paper from M$ that says your ok. You're hired!"
>
>My point is that if you are trying to appeal to the businesses, please look at
>what has worked in the past for others and see if it can work for Perl as
>well.
>Perl needs to move out of the hacker market and in to the mainstream if it
>is to
>thrive.
>
>In order to move into the mainstream and take its rightful place with
>Java, it's
>go to have a perception change. I think that certification would certainly
>help. Where can I go to get mine?
>
>
>
>John Reid wrote:
>
> > > > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable
> > > > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I
> > > > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure
> > > > out my wife . . .
> > >
> > > Ask yourself this question: Are you in need of a mod_perl job? If so, I'm
> > > willing to bet that there are employers who would snap you up in a
> second.
> > >
> > > As has been said a few times here, certification is pretty pointless
> > > unless you need some distinguishing factor. With mod_perl, the
> > > distinguishing factor is that you're available!
> >
> > This is an interesting thread. Just one point though ... just who is
> > available? Are they any good? Have they any experience? Are they
> telling the
> > truth?
> >
> > Certification may be an issue that deserves careful attention, before
> idiots
> > go and try to implement mod_perl solutions, make a complete pig's ear and
> > give us all a bad name.
> >
> > John Reid
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