> And I've never seen a situation where 'self was a ref' > could you please enlighten me.
the vast majority of the time $self is the class name, since you generally see this kind of config PerlResponseHandler My::Class->handler http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/method_handlers.html#Simple_example lists an example like PerlHandler $My::Obj->method which doesn't look valid to me outside of a <Perl> section, but who knows. anyway, when I was doing the part on method handlers for the mod_perl cookbook I said "$self is always the name of the class" and IIRC stas pointed me to that example so I changed the wording to "usually." but I've never seen it used in real life like that - certainly not by me. but maybe ask or someone else has :) --Geoff