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>From: John Drefahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I was just very disappointed when someone slagged my post as a
>> completely uneducated one. I am not here to point fingers. I just
>> would like to have a good conversation of where we are seeing MOD in
>> todays society. This is really the only topic that is important to
>> me since I am not into retro clothes, I really have no interest in
> > obscure 60s music too much, but I do consider myself a mod.
>
>One thing I've never been able to understand, is why there are so many
>people wanting to call themselves mods if they have no interest in what the
>scene as it stands is about. I don't find many that worship Allah calling
>themselves Mormons, or many punks that call themselves ravers, so why is
>this so prevalent in the mod scene? Saying "I have not an interest in suits,
>not an interest in 60's records, yet I am MOD", I see as being very similar
>to throwing a Piaggio badge on an Alpha Romeo and calling it a GS.
>but wait, there is more...
Can I ask you a question before I answer? Did the original Mods plan
it all from the beginning? I don't think so.. Mod evolved just like
any other social movement. Why must people pigeon hole such a
positive movement. Just let it be what it wants to be. There is no
right way to be mod. Mod is a state of mind. When people finally
realize that all the other materialistic shit was just ways of
showing this state of mind. Mod was born out of a social situation
not from a fashion show. Why do so many people on this list consider
Mod only by clothes, music, and scooters. If you put two people in
parkas, on scooters, in a suit, and listening to R&B music.. how do
you separate the two from the Real mod and the fake mod by looks
alone?
You can't, mod starts from the head.. Without intellectual
substance.. you are just some guy in a suit, on a scooter, listening
to soul.. It really comes from the mind and heart. I feel very sorry
for those of you that completely live your lives judging people on
such a superficial level.
Why do I consider myself a mod. My line of thinking is fundamentally
influenced by the same things as the Mods were influenced by. Though
those influences have changed slightly over time. I relate to their
outlook, I relate to their situation, and I relate to their way of
life. I respect the history of mod and I respect those who have gone
through great effort to recreate and capture the look and feel of
another time. I relate to the mind set! But I don't live the life
of a 50s mod. Does this make me any more mod then you? I hope not.
You have chosen your way to express your feelings, I have chosen
mine. I suppose you just fit the role better.
> > I consider myself a mod because I do not recognize the boundries
>> placed on me. I don't believe in countries, and I don't believe in
>> borders. I believe in living anywhere you want and being smart about
>> it. I believe that smart people do smart things. Smart people in
>> this day and age live where they want and...
>> Ultimately I consider myself a mod because I have just always been
>> one step ahead of society. Perhaps some of you can relate.. maybe
>> I just grew up as that one kid that was made fun...
>> But I was never considered cool for my trendsetting behavior...........
>> I guess I am just a bit frustrated by this list at the moment. I
>> find that so much is lost in trying to prove that you can recreate
>> the past so well. Why worry about the past. The past is the past...
>>
>Why not just call yourself an internationalist, then? Or a 'smart'
>internationalist. Or some hip new word you come up with all by yourself and
>proclaim you're that. Say "I am a 'squeeziebop', and that means I am a real
>smart internationalist who loves modern Bauhaus, being a step ahead of
>'society', trendsetting, being one of those kids, and looking forward by
>abandoning the things of the past such as 60's music and suits, and I am
>loving it!" instead of telling people how to do what they're already having
>a good time doing? I am going to go out on a limb and say you've probably
>not met many mods, or maybe have been shunned by one. I say this because I
>don't know *ANY* mods stuck in the past and because of your post's bitter
>nature... I mean, if you really want to be persuasive, you should try
>looking at speakers from the past, because this futuristic stuff is pretty
>lost on me... it doesn't work. And for being so forward thinking and
>trendsetting, this neo-mod image is probably older than you are, and it has
never ended in revolution.
Sorry if I came off as an asshole.. It wasn't my intention.. I was
hoping to spark a bit of conversation other then "I am more Skinhead
then you".
Why did you come across as if I was shunning your records and your
lifestyle. If that was my intention I would have tried a little
harder. I was only asking for many to forget the old talk and maybe
talk about how mod has influenced todays society.
As for meeting mods, being dissed by mods, and such.. to be honest I
haven't met a real mod because I am 23 which means I wasn't walking
around london in the 50s. Okay I am being a smart ass.. I have been
got to mod clubs for two years now off and on.. Started with
curiosity and has now become a hunt for knowledge. But when it all
comes down to it. You can walk the walk, wear the clothes, and speak
the speak.. but you are no better then I am.. we just have different
ways of expressing ourselves. You choose a blue print.. I decided to
go back to the drawing table and draft out my own plans using your
old designs.. and I will make them better. As you mentioned before
"try looking at speakers from the past".. I have, now I am trying to
do something with what I have learned. You can't seem to figure out
how to change the damn record tune. Evolution and progression is a
bitch isn't it.
>
>> I really would like to talk about the future.. the future of mod.
>> Where are we going to take this movement and how are we going to
>> change the world.
>>
>Okay, I'll start. In the future, I think space-age record players should be
>a standard. I think Fred Perrys and Ben Shermans not should be held in such
>high regard by upstarts. Well, it's a start. The truth is, if you're going
>to beat up an opinion so obviously had by most mods, no one is going to
>listen to you. Why respect someone's opinions if he doesn't respect yours?
Yeah, I usually talk to walls.. I am pretty use to it.. No one ever
likes to talk about the future of one of the strongest, most
interesting social movements ever in society.. I guess I should just
leave it to you pro.
>
>> A list of Mods who refuse to talk about the future is probably the biggest
>oxymoron ever..
>
>I think a list of mods refusing to talk about the past would be much bigger.
Ouch Nice one there.. quick thinking.. I must give you points.. I
didn't see that one coming.
>
>-robert
>p.s. wasn't that boring?
Look kids I made it through the internet punching bag alive! And
what have we all learned from this great big argument!
"WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS"
Wouldn't it be a fucking bore if we all agreed!
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