Fucking sad. How about I do a pompous moron check? Why is it that the ones who know the least about topics spout off the most? Mod does not equal politics. End of story.
Dan Thaddeus Ritch wrote: > Adam, I really don't have time right now to elaborate much on my point, > as I > am at work, but count on a longer reply. I'm a bit of a bleeding heart > myself, it's just that I try not to engage in presumption about > modernity in > politics, as the answer I've found is unsatisfactory. Here's something > to > think about when you start thinking left is modern. > According to Marx, class separation has been a basic development in > human > society, which began in the separation of labor, corresponding with the > exploitation of such specialization. This exploitation leads directly to > > technical development and innovation as a means to further maximize > exploitive potential (Marxist fundimental). Such advancement in art, > textile, and commodity production, keeps technologies "up to date"; > exploitation of production is, fundimentally then, a modern mode. This > is a > frightening correlation of extreme capitalism and modernity. I don't go > about trying to see how I can lend a hand in the oppressive fun, but > it's > why I also don't run around unbathed and covered in patches, ranting on > "bad-ass political bands" or preaching "anarcho-communism" (is that what > you > called it?). > > Thanks. Please offer comment or refections. > thaddeus > > Oh, and Dan, I didn't have time to do a spell check. Would you be a doll > and > take care of it for me? > > > > > >From: Adam Yeah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: politics > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:02:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > >i know this is about politics, but it is still in the realm > >of > >this list > > > >ok this is a conversation i've wanted to have for quite > >a while..i'm glad this has been started (i'm sure nobody > >will follow it up but oh well) > > > >first off i'm confused about your use of the term > >'progressive political views' do you mean progressive > >in terms of liberal ideas that keep people's lives in mind > >and humane social policy? or are you saying progressive in > > > >terms of something new that hasn't been thought before? > >and in your case it seems like something combining left > >and right wing ideologies. > > > >but anyway, this isn't the discussion...the discussion > >at hand is the 'politics of modernism' first off, a > >great band fromb chicago a few years ago, the adjusters > >were rights up my alley...check out their website..they're > >around, and i know various members are still > >very politically active and that's awesome: > >www.theadjusters.com > >dig the new mp3's they're pretty good > > > >as for the subject of 'mods' being leftist, conservative, > >or apolitical, i would argue that it makes most sense for > >mods to be very leftist, if not radical ( i am not saying > >they SHOULD, i am > >saying that it makes the most sense) > > > >if mods really want to do something 'new' and 'different' > >why settle for something as minor and bourgeois as new > >clothes and new music (and in most cases even that can't be > >done!)? why not go for the glory and work on something > >REALLY new and serious like a new society, new work, new > >everything? if we're gonna do this, let's do this for real! > >what's 'new' about sitting in an office 40 hours a week to > >pay for more trinkets and gadgets and records? > > > >this may seem way off base and contradictory to the history > >and roots of modernism, but oh well > > > >i just see modernism as something challenging society and > >the boring routine of everyday life...as the students and > >workers said in france in '68: > >"in a society that abolishes adventure, the only adventure > >is to abolish that society" > > > >i think it's time we get to work! > > > >there's some platforms which i think modernism stands on > >that make it hard to distance itself from leftist or > >radical political thought > > > >1. internationalism > >2. multiculturalism > >3. working class issues > > (this one is kinda tough to prove but it's relation to > >skinhead culture is undeniable) > >4. it's mostly kids! > > > >it just seems hard for me to on one hand be all for those > >ideas, and then to not understand what is necessary to make > >sure those things stick around > > > >besides all this, i don't know anything more uncool than > >being completely fucking oblivious to what's happening in > >the rest of the world and not understanding > >one's connections to it. > > > >just some thoughts > > > >again, please don't take this as a "i think all mods should > >be anarcho-communists!!!!", it's just that it seems a > >natural outcome, and i'm surprised i don't see it more > >often, that's all. > > > >in regards to middle-class kids throwing rocks at cops > >lately, this issue of globalization isn't something that > >was thought up by a bunch of bored college > >kids. People in the global south have been dealing with > >it, fighting it, and living with its consequences for a > >decade. it's easy for the media to label > >a subject as serious as this and try to discredit it as the > >games of bored white kids. this has been the reality of > >the majority of the people in the world for > >a long time and we're just beginning to understand it > > > >i hope this was more interesting than internet fights > > > >adam > >michigan/ dc > > > >***************************************************** > > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:31:46 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: scott duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Support Bill Maher > > > > > > > > > > >Why does it seem that all the content of late with > >political tones seems to be endorsing left wing or > >capitalist politics? From a modernist (not mod > >necessarily) point-of-view I am inclined to believe > >that all of these traditional perspectives are > >irrelevant now. The modernists that I know of > >throughout the twentieth century were generally > >against all forms of political extremes. Modernist > >political thought seemed more about progression than > >about conforming outdated notions of economic policy > >to all aspects of human life. Not to mention that the > >simplifications of left wing and right wing seem so > >clouded with a million peripheral issues that the > >implications are greater than any individual should > >endorse. I mean, sure you want social programs for > >everyone but why is that so inextricably tied to > >morality, racial issues, feminism, religion, > >free-speech, tax spending and the location of > >political control. > > > >And why are there all of these petitions and issues > >that require endorsement. Mods live their lives > >claiming that majority opinion doesn't mean anything > >(that's why we dress different and listen to different > >music right?) but then they have to drum up majority > >favor for some political or social cause they endorse? > > Plus if we are learning the lessons of the last > >century shouldn't we at least recognize that the last > >time this type of cause was successful was the civil > >rights movement of the fifties? The difference > >between this movement and all that have come since is > >that at least the civil rights marchers had some > >credibility. I see these upper middle class college > >types throwing moltov cocktails in Seattle with their > >scrappy t-shirts, baggy pants and proliferation of > >body hair and it isn't hard to understand why there > >are not garnering popular support behind their cause. > > > >What, you may be asking, is our choice if we don't > >have either the republican or democratic party lines > >to choose from? Try breaking all the confused issues > >apart for one thing. Partisan politics forces us to > >accept their priorities for issues. If you did vote > >for George Bush do you seriously agree with everything > >he says (the same goes to all the other candidates)? > >Mods as the cultural inheritors of the modernists > >should at least think about inheriting some > >progressive political views as well. Think about new > >issues and solutions rather than recycling old ones. > > > >scott duncan > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Listen to your Yahoo! 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