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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:55:56 +0000
From: "Andy Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
That is the best definition I have ever heard someone come up with.
>From: Mag -The Jamm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:50 -0000
>
>Mods.........a definition. I see this crop up so much and to be honest the
>subject matter is tedious and I don't really think it has a solid meaning
>in
>todays terms. I prefer to think of people getting together who have an
>interest in similar music, clothes, lifestyle, attitude etc etc but to
>label
>it with a name has lost its meaning. When it all began it was so concise,
>so
>different from anything else and easily recognisable..today so many
>people/groups etc have been influenced by Mod that there can no longer be a
>concise definition of what "Mod" is today. And to try and carry on to
>categorise people or define it, you must be losing something along the
>way........surely in your own heart and soul you know if you are or not and
>that surely must be how you define it to yourself.
>
>Don't let a text book or a rules list tell you what to follow......choose
>your own path and walk it at your own pace.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 14 January 2002 10:13
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>
>
> >I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know
>what
> >people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
> >considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
> >think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
> >think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
> >Quadrophenia. Am I right?
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >>
> >>
> >>Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
> >>Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
> >>equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type
>assumptions
> >>drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates,
>I'm
> >>not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing,
>that
> >>just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
> >>narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
> >>actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd
>understand
> >>that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the
>ever
> >>stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> >> Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
> >>operate
> >>on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
> >>too
> >>
> >>much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
> >>scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
> >>recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
> >>writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
> >>Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:02:44 -0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
Bollocks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 12:56
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
That is the best definition I have ever heard someone come up with.
>From: Mag -The Jamm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:50 -0000
>
>Mods.........a definition. I see this crop up so much and to be honest the
>subject matter is tedious and I don't really think it has a solid meaning
>in
>todays terms. I prefer to think of people getting together who have an
>interest in similar music, clothes, lifestyle, attitude etc etc but to
>label
>it with a name has lost its meaning. When it all began it was so concise,
>so
>different from anything else and easily recognisable..today so many
>people/groups etc have been influenced by Mod that there can no longer be a
>concise definition of what "Mod" is today. And to try and carry on to
>categorise people or define it, you must be losing something along the
>way........surely in your own heart and soul you know if you are or not and
>that surely must be how you define it to yourself.
>
>Don't let a text book or a rules list tell you what to follow......choose
>your own path and walk it at your own pace.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 14 January 2002 10:13
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>
>
> >I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know
>what
> >people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
> >considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
> >think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
> >think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
> >Quadrophenia. Am I right?
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >>
> >>
> >>Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
> >>Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
> >>equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type
>assumptions
> >>drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates,
>I'm
> >>not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing,
>that
> >>just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
> >>narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
> >>actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd
>understand
> >>that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the
>ever
> >>stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> >> Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
> >>operate
> >>on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
> >>too
> >>
> >>much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
> >>scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
> >>recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
> >>writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
> >>Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:38:16 -0800
From: "First Class Cabin Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie vs mod pickled fish
thad, from way over here in korea, I can clearly see that you have waaaay
too much time on your hands to dicuss pickled fish. so I now take this
opportunity to proclaim you as the new official "chef boy M.O.D." when I
see you next month in vegas, I will bring you korean pickled delights like:
turnips, onions, carp, squid, dog, and this crazy yellow/orangy spongy
starflish thingy in a jar I found in Pusan. I will be seriously offended if
you do not share your tasting experiences with the list.... hmmm, I wonder
if this may be a bit too punk-rock for your taste buds.....
c:/
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:10:14 -0800
From: "Thaddeus Ritch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: indie vs mod pickled fish
Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today. Nothing
but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered to
as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of pickled
herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull top
lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty works
within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to eating.
I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for supporting
the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish
of
primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle those?
they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would run
together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break into
mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod
at
all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an un-pickled
fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad leisure
suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
humiliated, and mocked by all.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:44:35 -0800
From: "First Class Cabin Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie vs mod pickled fish
ok, I'm cashing in the 2 kewl points that I have left........
....what the heck is clotted cream?
christophe
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
Andy - I've pretty much spent time all over the U.K. and I can honestly say
I've never met anyone who eats
Eel ! As for clotted cream.....mmmmmmm
Kitty XX
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:11:34 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
Extra thick cream...which is divine ! - ( Unfortunately fattening though !
).
Hope you are well Christophe since I last saw you in Vegas, when are you
next coming to the U.K. ?
Kitty Kittenberg Battenberg XX
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Sent: 14 January 2002 13:45
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: indie vs mod pickled fish
ok, I'm cashing in the 2 kewl points that I have left........
....what the heck is clotted cream?
christophe
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
Andy - I've pretty much spent time all over the U.K. and I can honestly say
I've never met anyone who eats
Eel ! As for clotted cream.....mmmmmmm
Kitty XX
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:17:11 +0000
From: chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
This is the funniest thing I've read in a while - you should be
published!!!
chris
Thaddeus Ritch wrote:
> Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
> praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
>
> eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today.
> Nothing
> but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered
> to
> as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
> It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
> than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of
> pickled
> herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull
> top
> lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
> pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty
> works
> within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to
> eating.
> I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for
> supporting
> the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
> Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish
> of
> primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle
> those?
> they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would
> run
> together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break
> into
> mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
> Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod
> at
> all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an
> un-pickled
> fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad
> leisure
> suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
> humiliated, and mocked by all.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:27:16 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 839
At least I make sense. You sir, are a moron. End of story.
You and Hawley oughta get together for a circle jerk.
That's what you indie kids do, right?
Dan
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:13:33 -0800
From: "Thaddeus Ritch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: definition of a mod
(I'm annoying myself now, but it's like an addiction; I can't stop posting.
Now I know how Dan and Paola must have felt on 'whatsshakin last
week.)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:35:56 -0600
From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
For the last time, I wasn't moaning about 'non-mod types' at all. I was
simply referring to...got a pen? The annoying character flaws of the status
climber/name dropper persona. So, who on this list would be offended by
that? Unless of course, it hits too close to home:)
>From: CATHERINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:28:52 -0500
>
>
>The thing is Andy is that Steven Hawley is moaning about non-mod types when
>some time back he was complaining
>about the Mod scene being too strict and narrow minded....I think Steven
>needs to decide on what he wants as
>he keeps moving the goal posts.......
>
>Kitty XX
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 14 January 2002 10:13
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>
>
>I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know
>what
>
>people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
>considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
>think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
>think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
>Quadrophenia. Am I right?
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >
> >
> >Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
> >Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
> >equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type
>assumptions
> >drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
> >not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing,
>that
> >just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
> >narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
> >actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd
>understand
> >that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the
>ever
> >stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> > Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
> >operate
> >on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
> >too
> >
> >much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
> >scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
> >recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
> >writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
> >Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
> > >From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> > >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
> > >
> > >i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so
>it
> > >seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
> > >modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes
> >and
> > >dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if
> >they
> > >play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock
>band.
> > >this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on
>here
> > >pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i
> >love
> > >old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going
>to
> > >see live bands and getting into brand new music.
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >timmeh
> > >
> > >>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Subject: indie rock is not fun
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
> > >>comes
> > >>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something
>like
> >a
> > >>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers.
> >They
> > >>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
> > >>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have
> >the
> > >>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'.
>They'll
> > >>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play,
> >well,
> > >>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally
> >french
> > >>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few
>people
> > >>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos
>who'
> > >>in
> > >>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more
> >and
> > >>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
> > >>phenomenom is beyond me.
> > >
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:51:53 +0000
From: Misa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
The most delicious food on earth. Also one of the most fattening. But
again, THE most delicious substance that the Britons came up with (other
than eel pie).
First Class Cabin Boy wrote:
> ok, I'm cashing in the 2 kewl points that I have left........
> ....what the heck is clotted cream?
>
> christophe
>
> From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
>
> Andy - I've pretty much spent time all over the U.K. and I can honestly
> say
> I've never met anyone who eats
> Eel ! As for clotted cream.....mmmmmmm
>
> Kitty XX
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:18 +0000
From: Misa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pickle this
Somehow, I am STILL amazed that people are still caring about such
relevant issues in the world like:
What IS mod? (Yes Buddha, let's find out!)
Why do people talk about others in a condescending way? (Age old dilemma
that MUST come to an end!)
Why are indie rockers snobs? (Puzzled minds want to know!)
If I buy the newest Wallpaper mag and go to Carnaby Street, will I feel
whole inside regarding my confusion on mod related issues? (God, if
that were only true)
Why can't I like pickled fish? (I'd be mod-er, I think?)
And the most unanswered, valid, recurring question ever on Modslist:
WHY AM I STILL ON THIS LIST?
Please people, help a girl out!? I need some reassurance from you that
I AM OKAY.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:29 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pickle this
Do you slow down to look at car wrecks even though you know it will be
nasty? What about when you see someone with a horrible deformity, or a
dwarf, or a really pathetic goth/vampire couple? Surely you can't help
but stare with a mixture of fascination and/or pity...
Or find endless entertainment in how far people can distort mod to suit
their own interests or lack of knowledge.
OK,that's just why I'm still here.
Dan
Misa wrote:
> And the most unanswered, valid, recurring question ever on Modslist:
>
> WHY AM I STILL ON THIS LIST?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:17:31 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Paul Weller BBC2
Did anyone get a chance to record Weller's DJ sessions on BBC2? He spun from his own
private vinyl collection. They have a few samples on the BBC2 website. I would love
to get a copy of this.
Please Email me personally if you know where I could get copies.
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:33:50 -0600
From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pickle this
Misa, your a.o.k. As in Roger roger, clearance Clarence. Sure, many of the
postings seem trite, wait, let me rephrase that, many of the postings ARE
trite (my postings included). It's like tiger beat for adults (aka shits
and giggles). Why are you on this list? I dunno why not? I can't speak on
behalf of the other listers, but most of my postings are just done in good
fun...I couldn't imagine how boring the list would be if we only discussed
serious mod buisness and events postings. But your a smart girl, you know
these things.
However, that pickled herring essay was pretty fab....maybe not quite as fab
as Pablo's love interests, but interesting nevertheless. Does the guy who
wrote it have a life? Probably, but where else would he be able to discuss
his ridiculously detailed knowlage of such specified subject matter?
Oh yeah, modslist also helps me pass the time in between my afternoon
classes:) For example, Kitty would much rather write and view silly modslist
postings than read monotonous memo 'reminders' of changing office policies
while at work. I would rather write this posting than talk to the fat kid
next to me munching on what looks to be like an economy size bag of 'cool
ranch' doritos in a metalicca t-shirt in the computer lab. Anyway, have a
pleasent day everyone.
>From: Misa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Pickle this
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:18 +0000
>
>Somehow, I am STILL amazed that people are still caring about such
>relevant issues in the world like:
>
>What IS mod? (Yes Buddha, let's find out!)
>Why do people talk about others in a condescending way? (Age old dilemma
>that MUST come to an end!)
>Why are indie rockers snobs? (Puzzled minds want to know!)
>If I buy the newest Wallpaper mag and go to Carnaby Street, will I feel
>whole inside regarding my confusion on mod related issues? (God, if
>that were only true)
>Why can't I like pickled fish? (I'd be mod-er, I think?)
>
>And the most unanswered, valid, recurring question ever on Modslist:
>
>WHY AM I STILL ON THIS LIST?
>
>Please people, help a girl out!? I need some reassurance from you that
>I AM OKAY.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:07:18 EST
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:37:02 -0600
From: "tim boykin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
the guy that originally posted "indie rock is not fun" replied with some
valid points about the indie rock scene having its own stodgy, histrionic
tendencies....some other folks had some interesting (and funny) things to
say. then somebody posted that they were trying to get a handle on what they
think modernism is - obviously, everybody has different perspectives on it.
here's my unsolicited one:
modernism is an art movement that started around the beginning of the 20th
century, and it appears to have had a couple of watershed periods following
a couple of world wars. though it became identified as a youth culture in
the 60s, i think it's more of an aesthetic approach to life than a "cult"
like punk, where all you need is the right duds and trimmings. call me nuts,
but i always think of Slim Harpo as the Ultimate Mod. believe me, i've had a
hard time explaining that one before (laughs). he made art (i regard all
music as art) that was earthy/cthonic and yet simultaneously
forward-looking, cleanly rendered, stark, minimalist, etc. oh, and he
dressed sharp, too (laughs).
for me personally, the arch-nemesis of modernism is the dreaded
postmodernism. postmodernism has brought the world baggy jeans, crack, and
bands like Creed and Matchbox 20. the basic philosophy of postmodernism is
"nothing is true," which is sometimes stated as "it's all good." (yuck!) to
me, modernism is positive, altruistic, it's about moving up and out.
now, don't get me wrong; i'm all in favor of scooters and dancing to Booker
T, etc. this is merely the perspective of a weirdo artist type. carry on....
cheers,
timmeh
http://www.thelolas.net/
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:03:52 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
I've never name dropped in my life.....something you're very good at....you
do talk a load of drivel.
Regards
Catherine Ralph,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 18:36
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
For the last time, I wasn't moaning about 'non-mod types' at all. I was
simply referring to...got a pen? The annoying character flaws of the status
climber/name dropper persona. So, who on this list would be offended by
that? Unless of course, it hits too close to home:)
>From: CATHERINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:28:52 -0500
>
>
>The thing is Andy is that Steven Hawley is moaning about non-mod types when
>some time back he was complaining
>about the Mod scene being too strict and narrow minded....I think Steven
>needs to decide on what he wants as
>he keeps moving the goal posts.......
>
>Kitty XX
>
>Regards
>Catherine Ralph,
>Pre-Production Analyst,
>Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
>Tel :- 01268 - 40 - 4864, Fax :- 01268 - 40 - 4488,
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 14 January 2002 10:13
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>
>
>I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know
>what
>
>people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
>considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
>think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
>think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
>Quadrophenia. Am I right?
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >
> >
> >Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
> >Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
> >equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type
>assumptions
> >drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
> >not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing,
>that
> >just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
> >narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
> >actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd
>understand
> >that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the
>ever
> >stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> > Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
> >operate
> >on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
> >too
> >
> >much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
> >scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
> >recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
> >writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
> >Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
> > >From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> > >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
> > >
> > >i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so
>it
> > >seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
> > >modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes
> >and
> > >dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if
> >they
> > >play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock
>band.
> > >this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on
>here
> > >pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i
> >love
> > >old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going
>to
> > >see live bands and getting into brand new music.
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >timmeh
> > >
> > >>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Subject: indie rock is not fun
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
> > >>comes
> > >>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something
>like
> >a
> > >>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers.
> >They
> > >>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
> > >>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have
> >the
> > >>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'.
>They'll
> > >>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play,
> >well,
> > >>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally
> >french
> > >>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few
>people
> > >>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos
>who'
> > >>in
> > >>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more
> >and
> > >>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
> > >>phenomenom is beyond me.
> > >
> > >
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:12:18 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pickle this
What a load of b*ll*cks - so you reckon I write and read silly modslist
postings then ?! - well reading
something rather silly is what I'm doing now with your self absorbed
ramblings...you've shot yourself in the
foot with this one you idiot. At least I don't write long boring essays
like you.....as for fat kids munching
on doritos....I'd rather talk to the fat kid than to someone like you who
obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about !
Regards
Catherine Ralph,
Pre-Production Analyst,
Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
Tel :- 01268 - 40 - 4864, Fax :- 01268 - 40 - 4488,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 20:34
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pickle this
Misa, your a.o.k. As in Roger roger, clearance Clarence. Sure, many of the
postings seem trite, wait, let me rephrase that, many of the postings ARE
trite (my postings included). It's like tiger beat for adults (aka shits
and giggles). Why are you on this list? I dunno why not? I can't speak on
behalf of the other listers, but most of my postings are just done in good
fun...I couldn't imagine how boring the list would be if we only discussed
serious mod buisness and events postings. But your a smart girl, you know
these things.
However, that pickled herring essay was pretty fab....maybe not quite as fab
as Pablo's love interests, but interesting nevertheless. Does the guy who
wrote it have a life? Probably, but where else would he be able to discuss
his ridiculously detailed knowlage of such specified subject matter?
Oh yeah, modslist also helps me pass the time in between my afternoon
classes:) For example, Kitty would much rather write and view silly modslist
postings than read monotonous memo 'reminders' of changing office policies
while at work. I would rather write this posting than talk to the fat kid
next to me munching on what looks to be like an economy size bag of 'cool
ranch' doritos in a metalicca t-shirt in the computer lab. Anyway, have a
pleasent day everyone.
>From: Misa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Pickle this
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:18 +0000
>
>Somehow, I am STILL amazed that people are still caring about such
>relevant issues in the world like:
>
>What IS mod? (Yes Buddha, let's find out!)
>Why do people talk about others in a condescending way? (Age old dilemma
>that MUST come to an end!)
>Why are indie rockers snobs? (Puzzled minds want to know!)
>If I buy the newest Wallpaper mag and go to Carnaby Street, will I feel
>whole inside regarding my confusion on mod related issues? (God, if
>that were only true)
>Why can't I like pickled fish? (I'd be mod-er, I think?)
>
>And the most unanswered, valid, recurring question ever on Modslist:
>
>WHY AM I STILL ON THIS LIST?
>
>Please people, help a girl out!? I need some reassurance from you that
>I AM OKAY.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:33:49 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ALL NIGHT STAND: Jan. 26th & Febuary 1st
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:11:22 +0000
From: Jules <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pickle this
> And the most unanswered, valid, recurring question ever on Modslist:
>
> WHY AM I STILL ON THIS LIST?
>
> Please people, help a girl out!? I need some reassurance from you that
> I AM OKAY.
Misa, I�m afraid I can�t help you out. I am solely on this list to see
why some of my friends mention modslist and then makes this face as if a
small dog had excreted/defecated on their favourite pair of loafers.
Also being a Frenchman living in Sweden (with French, Japanese and
Italian ancestry) I am quite interested in the regional differencies of
"mod". Things such as spelling colour: color, the usage of words such as
"kewl". It�s all very interesting to me. And I think Dan (wasn�t it?)
was spot on about why one has a subscription.
Then there has been some intriguing episodes like for instance the
unfolding love story of Pablo and Samantha (and Samantha, I think Pablo
was refering to Nazi Skinheads when he objected to the use of "strength
and honour")
So to sum it up: I joined this list for comic relief and to have a bit
of an argument with anyone up to it. So far all I�ve seen is just
lowlevel mud/shit slinging. And here I was thinking a post mentioning
modernism and Mishima would bait someone.
Toodle pips and may your shadows never grow bulkier
/jules
www.uppers.net
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