---- Joe Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/21/12 9:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > ---- [email protected] wrote:
> >> ---- [email protected] wrote:
> >>> ---- Joe Lewis<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> On 6/21/12 7:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>> ---- [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> ---- Joe Lewis<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 6/21/12 6:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ---- Joe Lewis<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/21/12 5:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ---- [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> ---- Sorin Manolache<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And I forgot to say: run gdb in some sort of environment where
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you see
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your current source code line and a couple of surrounding lines.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could achieve this with the "list" command, but I prefer running
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gdb in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> emacs and let emacs do the nice listing of source code in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> different panel.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> S
> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the function from my source. It's the original from
> >>>>>>>>>>> mod_headers.c, plus my printf:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> static int header_post_config(apr_pool_t *pconf, apr_pool_t *plog,
> >>>>>>>>>>> apr_pool_t *ptemp, server_rec
> >>>>>>>>>>> *s)
> >>>>>>>>>>> {
> >>>>>>>>>>> printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >>>>>>>>>>> header_ssl_lookup =
> >>>>>>>>>>> APR_RETRIEVE_OPTIONAL_FN(ssl_var_lookup);
> >>>>>>>>>>> return OK;
> >>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I was able to get the segfault to go away. Here's what I had to
> >>>>>>>>>> do:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Created /etc/ld.so.conf.d/my.conf, and added the directory where
> >>>>>>>>>> my libobaccess.so was
> >>>>>>>>>> - Run 'ldconfig' to activate.
> >>>>>>>>>> - In the apxs command, DON'T include the -L and -l arguments
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> After that, Apache appears to start ok, without segfault :)!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all of the great help, esp. the suggestion about
> >>>>>>>>>> checking "ldconfig -p". I still don't understand why, but I'm
> >>>>>>>>>> just glad that I can get past this piece so now I can debug my
> >>>>>>>>>> module :)...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Later,
> >>>>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>> I'm just glad this list is as good as it is!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> FYI, the ldconfig is the dynamic linker control, and those
> >>>>>>>>> /etc/ld.so.conf.d files provide additional search directories for
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> linker to check in when loading a library.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.silverhawk.net/
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry to report, but my earlier report was a "false positive" :)...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I forgot that the mod_headers.c that I was doing the earlier testing
> >>>>>>>> with had all references to the libobaccess.so removed :(!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, I'm still stuck with basically the same problem, now, working
> >>>>>>>> with my "full" code, with the calls in it:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - If I compile with -L and -l, Apache segfaults when it starts
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - If I compile without -L and -l, then I get "undefined symbol"
> >>>>>>>> errors when I try to start Apache, e.g.:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [root@apachemodule build-mod_headers]# /apps/httpd2222/bin/apachectl
> >>>>>>>> -k start -X
> >>>>>>>> httpd: Syntax error on line 84 of /apps/httpd2222/conf/httpd.conf:
> >>>>>>>> Cannot load /apps/httpd2222/modules/mod_headers.so into server:
> >>>>>>>> /apps/httpd2222/modules/mod_headers.so: undefined symbol:
> >>>>>>>> ObResource_isProtected
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That "ObResource_isProtected" should be a symbol in libobaccess.so,
> >>>>>>>> and in fact, if I do "nm --dynamic", I get:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [root@apachemodule build-mod_headers]# nm --dynamic
> >>>>>>>> /apps/netpoint/lib64/libobaccess.so | grep "ObResource_isProtected"
> >>>>>>>> 00000000000a6d80 T ObResource_isProtected
> >>>>>>>> [root@apachemodule build-mod_headers]#
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm *assuming* that the reason for the "undefined symbol" error is
> >>>>>>>> that libobaccess.so is actually not being loaded, but then when I
> >>>>>>>> try to load libobaccess.so, either via -L and -l in the apxs, or
> >>>>>>>> using LoadFile in httpd.conf, I get the segfault (same gdb info,
> >>>>>>>> BTW).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Catch-22?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry for the false alarm :(!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not a catch-22. The -L and -l specify linker options when assembling
> >>>>>>> the code. The ldconfig is a run-time thing. If you are getting the
> >>>>>>> stderr messages, you are making it all the way into your library. I'd
> >>>>>>> suggest commenting out the following line and see if you get farther :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> header_ssl_lookup = APR_RETRIEVE_OPTIONAL_FN(ssl_var_lookup);
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That should tell you if the problem is the ssl_var_lookup.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> http://www.silverhawk.net/
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I just tried what you suggested, and got a
> >>>>>> segfault when I started Apache with the modified module.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a reminder, here's the gdb with the library loaded:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (gdb) b header_post_config
> >>>>> Function "header_post_config" not defined.
> >>>>> Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) y
> >>>>> Breakpoint 1 (header_post_config) pending.
> >>>>> (gdb) run -d /apps/httpd2222/ -f /apps/httpd2222/conf/httpd.conf
> >>>>> Starting program: /apps/httpd2222/bin/httpd -d /apps/httpd2222/ -f
> >>>>> /apps/httpd2222/conf/httpd.conf
> >>>>> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
> >>>>> [New Thread 182897610272 (LWP 11317)]
> >>>>> Breakpoint 2 at 0x2a9751ea90: file mod_headers.c, line 1121.
> >>>>> Pending breakpoint "header_post_config" resolved
> >>>>> mod_headers-jl V0.09 - start calling OAM API
> >>>>> In register_hooks
> >>>>> In create_headers_dir_config
> >>>>> In create_headers_dir_config
> >>>>> In header_cmd
> >>>>> In header_inout_cmd
> >>>>> In parse_format_tag
> >>>>> In parse_misc_string
> >>>>> In create_headers_dir_config
> >>>>> In header_cmd
> >>>>> In header_inout_cmd
> >>>>> In parse_format_tag
> >>>>> In parse_misc_string
> >>>>> [Switching to Thread 182897610272 (LWP 11317)]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Breakpoint 2, header_post_config (pconf=0x573138, plog=0x5a52c8,
> >>>>> ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at mod_headers.c:1121
> >>>>> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>> 1120 {
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>> In header_post_config
> >>>>> 1122 header_ssl_lookup =
> >>>>> APR_RETRIEVE_OPTIONAL_FN(ssl_var_lookup);
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>> 1124 }
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>> 0x00000000004360c7 in ap_run_post_config (pconf=0x573138,
> >>>>> plog=0x5a52c8, ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at config.c:91
> >>>>> 91 AP_IMPLEMENT_HOOK_RUN_ALL(int, post_config,
> >>>>> (gdb) n
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> >>>>> 0x0000003518d6c1e1 in BN_num_bits () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, it's actually blowing up in "BN_num_bits()" in
> >>>>> /lib64/libcrypto.so.4?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>> When you see the :
> >>>>
> >>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> >>>> 0x0000003518d6c1e1 in BN_num_bits () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> in gdb, type "bt" and hit enter. It should show the back trace and how
> >>>> you got to the BN_num_bits() function.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://www.silverhawk.net/
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Here's the bt full:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In header_inout_cmd
> >>> In parse_format_tag
> >>> In parse_misc_string
> >>> [Switching to Thread 182897610272 (LWP 6676)]
> >>>
> >>> Breakpoint 2, header_post_config (pconf=0x573138, plog=0x5a52c8,
> >>> ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at mod_headers.c:1121
> >>> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>> 1120 {
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>> In header_post_config
> >>> 1122 header_ssl_lookup = APR_RETRIEVE_OPTIONAL_FN(ssl_var_lookup);
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>> 1124 }
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>> 0x00000000004360c7 in ap_run_post_config (pconf=0x573138, plog=0x5a52c8,
> >>> ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at config.c:91
> >>> 91 AP_IMPLEMENT_HOOK_RUN_ALL(int, post_config,
> >>> (gdb) n
> >>>
> >>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> >>> 0x0000003518d6c1e1 in BN_num_bits () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> (gdb) bt full
> >>> #0 0x0000003518d6c1e1 in BN_num_bits () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #1 0x0000003518da8f4e in X509_ATTRIBUTE_create () from
> >>> /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #2 0x0000003518dadea2 in asn1_ex_i2c () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #3 0x0000003518dadf79 in asn1_ex_i2c () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #4 0x0000003518dae0e1 in ASN1_item_ex_i2d () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #5 0x0000003518dae5f2 in ASN1_template_i2d () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #6 0x0000003518dae28e in ASN1_item_ex_i2d () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #7 0x0000003518dae3c6 in ASN1_item_i2d () from /lib64/libcrypto.so.4
> >>> No symbol table info available.
> >>> #8 0x0000002a987d9d3a in ssl_pphrase_Handle (s=0x59d3a8, p=0x5a72d8) at
> >>> ssl_engine_pphrase.c:505
> >>> mc = (SSLModConfigRec *) 0x571738
> >>> sc = (SSLSrvConfigRec *) 0x668c38
> >>> pServ = (server_rec *) 0x65fa48
> >>> cpVHostID = 0x60add0 "www.example.com:443"
> >>> szPath =
> >>> "/apps/httpd2222/conf/certs/apache1.whatever.com.key\000\177\000\000\000Ü×ÿ¿\177\000\000\000à×ÿ¿\177",
> >>> '\0'<rep eats 15 times>,
> >>> "\001\000\000\000°åÿ¿\177\000\000\000;\000\000\000+\000\000\000\020Ûÿ¿\177",
> >>> '\0'<repeats 35 times>, "à\224k", '
> >>> ---Type<return> to continue, or q<return> to quit---
> >>> \0'<repeats 13 times>,
> >>> "øéÿ¿\177\000\000\000\020\000\000\000;\000\000\000\016\000\000\000\001\000\001\000\001",
> >>> '\0'<repeats 15 times>, "n\000\000\000\000\004\000\000°åÿ¿\177",
> >>> '\0'<repeats 11 times>, "\020Ûÿ¿\177\000\000\000+\000\000\000;",
> >>> '\0'<repeats 35 times>...
> >>> pPrivateKey = (EVP_PKEY *) 0x6ba670
> >>> asn1 = Variable "asn1" is not available.
> >>> (gdb)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not really sure what to make of that though :(...
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Ok, something interesting. I noticed that the servername in the gdb
> >> output was example.whatever.com, so I changed ServerName in
> >> extras/httpd-ssl.conf to "apache1.whatever.com". Apache still segfaulted
> >> after that.
> >>
> >> I noticed that igdb was showing my router IP address for "mod_unique_id"
> >> (whatever that is), so I thought it was because I didn't have the hostname
> >> in /etc/hosts. So, I added "apache1.whatever.com" to /etc/hosts, and also
> >> turned Apache LogLevel to debug, and now I get a different error:
> >>
> >> [root@apachemodule dev]# /apps/httpd2222/bin/apachectl -k start -X
> >> mod_headers-jl V0.09 - start calling OAM API
> >> In register_hooks
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In header_cmd
> >> In header_inout_cmd
> >> In parse_format_tag
> >> In parse_misc_string
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In header_cmd
> >> In header_inout_cmd
> >> In parse_format_tag
> >> In parse_misc_string
> >> In header_post_config
> >> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x00000000006b9710 ***
> >> /apps/httpd2222/bin/apachectl: line 78: 7599 Aborted
> >> $HTTPD $ARGV
> >> [root@apachemodule dev]#
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's the Apache error_log:
> >>
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:24:11 2012] [info] mod_unique_id: using ip addr 72.215.225.9
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:24:12 2012] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 144 bytes of
> >> entropy
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:24:12 2012] [info] Loading certificate& private key of
> >> SSL-aware server
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:51 2012] [info] mod_unique_id: using ip addr 72.215.225.9
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:52 2012] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 144 bytes of
> >> entropy
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:52 2012] [info] Loading certificate& private key of
> >> SSL-aware server
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:56 2012] [info] mod_unique_id: using ip addr 72.215.225.9
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:57 2012] [info] Init: Seeding PRNG with 144 bytes of
> >> entropy
> >> [Thu Jun 21 23:29:57 2012] [info] Loading certificate& private key of
> >> SSL-aware server
> >> [root@apachemodule dev]#
> >>
> >>
> >> and here's the gdb backtrace:
> >>
> >> (gdb) b header_post_config
> >> Function "header_post_config" not defined.
> >> Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) y
> >> Breakpoint 1 (header_post_config) pending.
> >> (gdb) run -d /apps/httpd2222/ -f /apps/httpd2222/conf/httpd.conf
> >> Starting program: /apps/httpd2222/bin/httpd -d /apps/httpd2222/ -f
> >> /apps/httpd2222/conf/httpd.conf
> >> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
> >> [New Thread 182897610272 (LWP 7644)]
> >> Breakpoint 2 at 0x2a9751ea90: file mod_headers.c, line 1121.
> >> Pending breakpoint "header_post_config" resolved
> >> mod_headers-jl V0.09 - start calling OAM API
> >> In register_hooks
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In header_cmd
> >> In header_inout_cmd
> >> In parse_format_tag
> >> In parse_misc_string
> >> In create_headers_dir_config
> >> In header_cmd
> >> In header_inout_cmd
> >> In parse_format_tag
> >> In parse_misc_string
> >> [Switching to Thread 182897610272 (LWP 7644)]
> >>
> >> Breakpoint 2, header_post_config (pconf=0x573138, plog=0x5a52c8,
> >> ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at mod_headers.c:1121
> >> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >> (gdb) n
> >> 1120 {
> >> (gdb) n
> >> 1121 printf("In header_post_config\n");
> >> (gdb) n
> >> In header_post_config
> >> 1122 header_ssl_lookup = APR_RETRIEVE_OPTIONAL_FN(ssl_var_lookup);
> >> (gdb) n
> >> 1124 }
> >> (gdb) n
> >> 0x00000000004360c7 in ap_run_post_config (pconf=0x573138, plog=0x5a52c8,
> >> ptemp=0x5a72d8, s=0x59d3a8) at config.c:91
> >> 91 AP_IMPLEMENT_HOOK_RUN_ALL(int, post_config,
> >> (gdb) n
> >> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x00000000006b9710 ***
> >>
> >> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
> >> 0x000000351432e26d in raise () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> (gdb) bt full
> >> #0 0x000000351432e26d in raise () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #1 0x000000351432fa6e in abort () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #2 0x0000003514363641 in __libc_message () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #3 0x0000003514369512 in _int_free () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #4 0x0000003514369846 in free () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #5 0x0000002a9790b6ba in R_free () from
> >> /apps/netpoint/lib64/libobaccess.so
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #6 0x0000002a9792bc41 in X509_CINF_free () from
> >> /apps/netpoint/lib64/libobaccess.so
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #7 0x0000002a9790ed98 in X509_free () from
> >> /apps/netpoint/lib64/libobaccess.so
> >> No symbol table info available.
> >> #8 0x0000002a987d97b6 in ssl_pphrase_Handle (s=0x59d3a8, p=0x5a72d8) at
> >> ssl_engine_pphrase.c:243
> >> mc = (SSLModConfigRec *) 0x571738
> >> sc = (SSLSrvConfigRec *) 0x668c38
> >> pServ = (server_rec *) 0x65fa48
> >> cpVHostID = 0x60add0 "apache1.whatever.com:443"
> >> szPath =
> >> "/apps/httpd2222/conf/certs/apache1.whatever.com.crt\000\177\000\000\000Ü×ÿ¿\177\000\000\000à×ÿ¿\177",
> >> '\0'<repeats 15 times>,
> >> "\001\000\000\000°åÿ¿\177\000\000\000;\000\000\000+\000\000\000\020Ûÿ¿\177",
> >> '\0'<repeats 35 times>, "à\224k", '\0'<repeats 13 times>,
> >> "øéÿ¿\177\000\000\000\020\000\000\000;\000\000\000\016\000\000\000\001\000\001\000\001",
> >> '\0'<repeats 15 times>, "n\000\000\000\000\004\000\000°åÿ¿\177",
> >> '\0'<repeats 11 times>, "\020Ûÿ¿\177\000\000\000+\000\000\000;",
> >> '\0'<repeats 35 times>...
> >> pPrivateKey = Variable "pPrivateKey" is not available.
> >> (gdb)
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >
> > I guess the thing that I'm puzzled about is why it goes from
> > ssl_pphrase_Handle (which is part of Apache code?) to X509_free () in the
> > libobaccess.so? Apache shouldn't even be aware of the libobaccess stuff
> > yet (since I think that Apache is still trying to initialize SSL
> > processing)?
> >
> > Jim
>
> It shouldn't unless you've declared a shutdown hook or a clean up hook
> of sorts. The looks of that stack trace look strikingly like an
> exception handler firing off. What are all of the hooks you have running?
>
> Joe
> --
> http://www.silverhawk.net/
>
Hi,
I'm basically using the original mod_headers.c as a starter code, and stuck
some stuff in there. Haven't done anything with the hooks etc. yet, so
whatever was there is there:
static void register_hooks(apr_pool_t *p)
{
printf("mod_headers-jl V0.09 - start calling OAM API\n");
printf("In register_hooks\n");
ap_register_output_filter("FIXUP_HEADERS_OUT", ap_headers_output_filter,
NULL, AP_FTYPE_CONTENT_SET);
ap_register_output_filter("FIXUP_HEADERS_ERR", ap_headers_error_filter,
NULL, AP_FTYPE_CONTENT_SET);
ap_hook_pre_config(header_pre_config,NULL,NULL,APR_HOOK_MIDDLE);
ap_hook_post_config(header_post_config,NULL,NULL,APR_HOOK_MIDDLE);
ap_hook_insert_filter(ap_headers_insert_output_filter, NULL, NULL,
APR_HOOK_LAST);
ap_hook_insert_error_filter(ap_headers_insert_error_filter,
NULL, NULL, APR_HOOK_LAST);
ap_hook_fixups(ap_headers_fixup, NULL, NULL, APR_HOOK_LAST);
ap_hook_post_read_request(ap_headers_early, NULL, NULL, APR_HOOK_FIRST);
}
module AP_MODULE_DECLARE_DATA headers_module =
{
STANDARD20_MODULE_STUFF,
create_headers_dir_config, /* dir config creater */
merge_headers_config, /* dir merger --- default is to override */
NULL, /* server config */
NULL, /* merge server configs */
headers_cmds, /* command apr_table_t */
register_hooks /* register hooks */
};
I guess that there is a:
ap_hook_post_config(header_post_config,NULL,NULL,APR_HOOK_MIDDLE);
in that register_hooks(), but it was there from the original code.
BTW, I was checking, and it looks like there's an X509_free() function in both
openssl and in libobaccess.so (used 'nm --dynamic <file>), so I'm wondering if
things are confused, and maybe Apache code expects to call the openssl
X509_free, but somehow ends up calling the X509_free() in libobaccess.so?
What would cause something like that? If two .so files have the same function,
how to avoid conflicts?
Jim
