Do you reckon there is any chance of you coming up with the absolute
minimum example of a Django site which exhibits the problem that you
could tar up and send me to play with? Guessing it would just need the
tag library definition and templates. I don't know that much about
using Django though, so may not be that simple.

Graham

On 30 March 2010 23:33, Eric Abrahamsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 22:06 +1100, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>> On 30 March 2010 13:44, Eric Abrahamsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 13:22 +1100, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>> >> On 30 March 2010 12:35, Eric Abrahamsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 08:57 +1100, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>> >> >> On 29 March 2010 22:23, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hi, I am 锁柱子 from the "improved wsgi script" blog post, thanks very
>> >> >> > much Graeme for taking the time to look at this issue. I tried your
>> >> >> > suggestions from the simplest first, running:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > python manage.py shell
>> >> >> > import comments
>> >> >> > comments.__file__
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > produced the right results both with and without the "mysite"
>> >> >> > prepended to the import path.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Then I added os.chdir('path/to/mysite') at the top of the wsgi 
>> >> >> > script,
>> >> >> > before anything else, but that didn't fix the problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So I logged the calls to globals(), locals(), sys.modules.keys() and
>> >> >> > sys.modules['comments'].__file__ as you indicated, inside the
>> >> >> > templatetags library that's exploding. There's a heck of a lot of
>> >> >> > stuff in there so I won't paste everything unless necessary. Logging
>> >> >> > this in the "broken" setup (without "mysite" prepended to the import
>> >> >> > path), I noticed first of all that in both locals() and globals(),
>> >> >> > __file__ pointed to the correct file, but __name__ pointed to
>> >> >> > "django.templatetags.entry_tags". I don't know if django munges 
>> >> >> > import
>> >> >> > paths to make it look like all templatetag libraries are housed under
>> >> >> > "django.templatetags", but this looked odd to me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nothing else immediately stood out. In sys.modules.keys() there are
>> >> >> > the following comments-related entries, in the order they came out in
>> >> >> > the list:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > comments.forms
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.utils
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.django
>> >> >> > mysite.comments.forms
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.templatetags
>> >> >> > comments.admin
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.textwrap
>> >> >> > mysite.comments.comments
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.forms
>> >> >> > comments.common
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.comments
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.time
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.datetime
>> >> >> > comments.comments
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.admin
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.signals
>> >> >> > comments.pickle
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.moderation
>> >> >> > comments.django
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.feeds
>> >> >> > comments.datetime
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.models
>> >> >> > mysite.comments
>> >> >> > myapp.comments
>> >> >> > mysite.comments.django
>> >> >> > comments
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.managers
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.views.urllib
>> >> >> > comments.akismet
>> >> >> > django.contrib.comments.django
>> >> >> > comments.models
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The one "myapp" entry is the app that has the exploding templatetags
>> >> >> > library.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I really have no idea if this is what I should be seeing or not...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I know where each is coming from, can you dump out:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   for name in sys.modules.keys():
>> >> >>     if 'comments' in name:
>> >> >>       print name, sys.modules[name].__name__, 
>> >> >> sys.modules[name].__file__
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also dump out:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   print sys.path
>> >> >
>> >> > Here goes: http://python.pastebin.com/i7UA2V33
>> >> >
>> >> > Perhaps significantly, many of the module values were actually None. I
>> >> > had to check sys.modules[name] hasattr __name__/__file__ to avoid
>> >> > throwing AttributeErrors for a 'NoneType' object. That's what the "No
>> >> > name" and "No file" entries mean...
>> >>
>> >> That doesn't make a great deal of sense. My recollection is that
>> >> __name__ and __file__ should be set prior to global code in a module
>> >> being executed and thus even if you have import cycles such that
>> >> incompletely loaded modules are being imported, they at least should
>> >> be set.
>> >>
>> >> The only other thing I can think of that would cause this is if they
>> >> have implemented a lazy loading mechanism which replaces the module in
>> >> sys.modules with a class instance that wraps the original module.
>> >> These lazy loaders are a nuisance and can cause problems in
>> >> multithreaded applications. I have in the past been quite suspicious
>> >> of one lazy loader that does this in the Python standard library
>> >> itself.
>> >>
>> >> Can you enhance that script to dump out:
>> >>
>> >>   str(type(sys.modules[name]))
>> >
>> > Unfortunately it's just what you'd expect: <type 'module'> for those
>> > entries with a valid __name__ and __file__, and <type 'NoneType'> for
>> > those without.
>> >
>> > I tried this on my development setup, just for the heck of it, and got
>> > the same results.
>>
>> Looking at django.contrib.comments, all the so called modules listed
>> in sys.modules which are supposed to be sub modules of that and which
>> show as type None, don't exist within the Django source code.
>>
>> The question thus is, why on earth are there entries in sys.modules
>> for them if they don't correspond to valid modules. That is truly
>> bizzare and have never seen anything like that before.
>>
>> Can you post the code you are currently using to generate the response
>> just so can ensure nothing obvious wrong being done?
>
> I get this error on any page that tries to load the "entry_tags" tag
> library. That includes the index page, and anywhere else where comment
> totals or comments themselves are loaded. There's nothing special about
> the entry_tags library, I've pasted (what I hope are) the relevant bits
> here:
> http://pastebin.com/L0YUBLh4
>
> Could this be happening because of the depth of the templatetags
> directory in my app structure? Every other place where the "from
> comments.models" statement works is directly under my app directory,
> only this one is buried one more directory deep...
>
>>
>> Also, in your tag library where you have:
>>
>>   from comments.models import MyComment
>>
>> does:
>>
>>   from comments.models import BaseCommentAbstractModel
>>
>> work instead.
>
> This is very weird. The above code never worked (ie, it always had to be
> "from mysite.comments.models import MyComment"), but changing this to:
> "from mysite.comments.models import BaseCommentAbstractModel" and then
> changing the code that follows to match it works -- it pulls the
> appropriate comment data from the appropriate table.
>
> Still can't do:
> "from comments.models import BaseCommentAbstractModel", though, it
> returns the same error.
>
>>
>> I am wandering whether the context in which the tag library is
>> evaluated, whether it is picking up 'django.contrib.comments.models'
>> instead for some reason and thus your problems are because of bad
>> choice for your sub package in your application.
>>
>> If that second import works, then would possibly confirm that.
>>
>> What actually is in your 'comments.models'?
>
> The class is called MyComment and it inherits from
> BaseCommentAbstractModel. I wanted to just call it Comment, since that's
> what it was, but I also discovered that the names are overloaded and
> that caused problems, I think with the database tables, I can't
> remember. I wanted something pretty much just like the built in comments
> but with some extra fields -- I can't quite remember why now but it
> seemed like the only way to do that was to recreate the builtin
> comments, with my own changes.
>
> Then there are a couple of other models in there, allowing people to
> register for comment notifications, and a pile of signals.
>
>>
>> Can you rename 'comments' to 'xcomments' in your site and change all
>> the references and then see if it works without needing 'mysite'
>> prefix.
>
> I'm hoping something in the above solves the problem -- since this issue
> only appears on the production site I'd rather not muck with class and
> table names unless it's a last resort!
>
> Thanks as always,
> Eric
>
>>
>> In other words 'comments' is very heavily overloaded in its usage and
>> perhaps poor name to use for your own stuff.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> > Eric
>> >
>> >>
>> >> In other words, find out what the type of object is that is in 
>> >> sys.modules.
>> >>
>> >> Graham
>>
>
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