The simple reality is that Python code indenting is significant. This
does not work very well when it comes to trying to embed Python code
inside of HTML. It is too easy, with editors not helping, to screw up
the indenting of the Python code and thereby break your page without
the person writing the page even realising how they have managed to
break it.
So Python being a generic programming language and not specifically
designed as a web language like PHP was, will always make code
embedding hard due to that one specific issue.
Yes PSP in mod_python did allow it, but it was still a right pain to use.
Graham
On 6 October 2012 09:30, Marc ThinlineData <m...@thinlinedata.com> wrote:
> Graham - I respectfully disagree, but not from the point of view that you
> may think I am. When looking at frameworks, Django probably pops up as the
> first one for first time Python people that want to expand to the web.
>
> Django is obscure, tedious and requires to adhere by principles and only
> works for large projects. I understand there is Flask, Pylons, Pyramid,
> Web2py, Webpy and probably more frameworks, than what we are allowed to type
> into as a response character wise. I am also well aware of the fact that
> they offer stability, professional coding techniques and security, over
> dropping code into files as with php/jsp.
>
> But I am coming from another world. A world that is outside of the hardcore
> development world, that focuses more on end user interfaces, production
> times and aesthetic value. Most companies probably cant offer to pay a
> developer wage, or multiple developers for that matter. A large number of
> internet business are ALSO about SEO value, CSS value and "just deploying a
> website". Why else would entire web platforms such as templatemonster.com
> have such a massive business. Most of their stuff is based on php. Not one
> single framework integration or MVC standard is there.
>
> For those people Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal is their world. They dont even
> think MVC or argue about Zend Vs Django or Flask Vs Rails (or other
> comparisons). For them the web interface is more simple. And for them the
> choice usually stands to be php and in increasingly rare instances asp.
> Javascript with jQuery takes care of the rest, and this more or less covers
> 95% of the web ecosystem. Remaining are the big boys that hires people which
> even knows what mod_wsgi is and why it should be installed, and can choose
> OS and probably a bunch of other stuff.
>
> So my point here is that offering the power of Python and the simplicity of
> Python to integrate into HTML will open up more doors than some might
> imagine to begin with. Remember that not everyone doing some code in PHP
> nescesarily is using Zend or CakePHP. A large industry is surviving purely
> on fixing, modding, editing and tweaking PHP files from popular CMS's as
> that is what most people are pitching since it is visually understandable
> for end users.
>
> Jason - Do you by any chance have this for Python 2.7 or can port it over to
> 2.7 without much work? It would really bring a lot of cool things to the
> Python ecosystem. Personally I am happy to see something like this take off,
> as it will allow more people to be introduced to Python/web without having
> to take long tutorials about MVC ideology. Does your mod allow you do run
> extensions such as .psp in the browser? What do you call your extension? And
> is the only logic separation in your HTML the triple quote to type Python
> code?
>
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2012 11:57:43 PM UTC+1, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>>
>> Template systems which embed Python code directly into HTML is
>> generally regarded as bad practice in the Python world.
>>
>> You are better off just learning about one of the more modern template
>> systems.
>>
>> I would very much suggest you try Flask and the Jinja2 that it
>> supports. This is going to be the simplest path.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> On 6 October 2012 06:50, Marc ThinlineData <ma...@thinlinedata.com> wrote:
>> > I was wondering if mod_wsgi eventually allows me to embed Python code
>> > directly into HTML such as mod_python does?
>> >
>> > I have installed mod_wsgi but I came short to finding any topic that
>> > pointed
>> > me into a direction for allowing me to directly embedding Python code
>> > into
>> > an HTML file.
>> >
>> > What I cant really figure out would be what the extension of the files
>> > would
>> > then have to be ( .psp? )
>> >
>> > And additionally to that, what is the coding syntax going to look like (
>> > {%
>> > %} ) ?
>> >
>> > I was looking at Mako for Python to embed Python code directly into
>> > HTML,
>> > but it seems Mako still uses the template approach. And I am not really
>> > to
>> > happy about the entire MVC terminology for the small fixes and patches I
>> > need to do on certain websites.
>> >
>> > Hope someone can direct me to an article or tutorial that covers
>> > mod_wsgi
>> > with Python embedded into HTML.
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