I am sorry but you do not buy any sports car to save money, maybe I am missing 
the point here!!! 


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On 13 Aug 2012, at 17:42, MICHAEL CALLAGHAN <terry1...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> I have a big diesel engine bmw car, it returns over 45 mpg, I love v8,s but I 
> am only seeing things as they are, morgan dealers can,t sale them, lots for 
> sale there must be a reason. I am not into all this green rubbish at all but 
> its money out of the wallet paying the tax they keep putting up. as you said 
> if you only want the car for a few 1000 miles each year it maybe ok, any more 
> then that you need deep pockets. michael
> 
> From: A11OGE 4/4 4 seater <morgana11...@googlemail.com>
> To: mogtalk2 <mogta...@listbox.com> 
> Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012, 17:35
> Subject: Re: [mogtalk2] RE: Chips - non mog- now +8 & big engines
> Don't live to regret not buying a +8. I am asking myself the same questions
> On 13 Aug 2012 17:27, "Owen Jenkins" <o...@osjl.co.uk> wrote:
> People have been predicting the end of big engines for nearly 4 decades .In 
> 1973 at the time of the first oil crisis (oil went from $3/bbl  to $30/bbl in 
> a matter of days), Americans were supposed to have fallen out of love with 
> V8s. Most didn't. When I bought a V12 Jag 24 years ago I did so before they 
> became impossible to own. I thought that by now we'd all be driving electric 
> cars or ones driven by tiny, high-revving motors. In the meantime, fuel 
> prices have continued to rise and there is a greater range of large, powerful 
> engines on the market than ever before. They are also much more efficient 
> than they used to be. We have seen commercial V-10 and W8/12/16 engines come 
> on the market. The Chrysler V10 in various versions has gone into a load of 
> pick-up trucks as well as the Dodge Viper and Bristol Fighter (has anyone 
> ever seen one of the latter, by the way?).
>  
> You might be right, but there are an awful lot of big engined cars still 
> being produced out there. It may be a minority market, but it exists, despite 
> all the dire warnings from pundits, who are unable to quantify emotional 
> appeal. It is emotional appeal which draws us to Morgans, not a desire for a 
> sensible family car.
>  
> You may remember we were about to enter an ice age in 1970, based on global 
> temperature trends. There was a memorable TV documentary about it.
>  
> My crystal ball remains extremely cloudy.
>  
> Owen.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MICHAEL CALLAGHAN
> To: mogtalk2
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [mogtalk2] RE: Chips - non mog- now +8
> 
> hi chaps, well I had an old +8 years back when I was in my 30,s and i hated 
> it, rover v8,s are great engines for sure but the are just wasted in a 
> morgan, these days with sky high fuel costs and the green thing I think that 
> v8,s will just become old hat, What I was looking for in a car this time 
> round now at 55 was a car that would not cost a arm and leg to tax, insurance 
> etc, so thats the german sports cars out, I did not wish to spend weeks on 
> end cutting out rust sports so that takes out the old e types etc. I don,t 
> like MG,s so it was back to morgan, I ended up with a 2 year old 4/4 with the 
> ford sigma engine in, OK its underpowered even for a morgan, but it comes 
> with low tax insurance and good mpg just over 45 mpg, so i can drive it 
> without it eating my wallet, also V8,s are on all the dealers forecourts and 
> not selling, and if its bad today it will be very bad tomorrow, the days of 
> the big engine cars are coming to an end sad to say. michael 
> 
> From: Tim Harris <t...@lambdapi.plus.com>
> To: mogtalk2 <mogta...@listbox.com> 
> Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012, 12:17
> Subject: Re: [mogtalk2] RE: Chips - non mog- now +8
> Two things for which +8s are justly renowned: they sound absolutely gorgeous, 
> and they have simply prodigious quantities of torque. 
> 
> Two things about which you may (or may not) be mildly concerned: The handling 
> is somewhat ponderous compared to the smaller cars, which is an advantage if 
> highway cruising/touring is your bag, less so if you like flinging it round 
> the twisties. The only other downside is the fuel consumption, which compared 
> to the 45mpg+ of the newer +4s is a bit disastrous, with sub 20mpg not being 
> uncommon when driven enthusiastically.
> 
> They are also enormously valuable these days, second hand prices are sky high 
> - which may or may not be a good thing, depending on how fat your wallet is.
> 
> I've actually only driven one once, the feeling of being shoved along on an 
> unstoppable wave of torque was really quite something. As Colin says, if you 
> drive one once, you will know immediately what they are about.
> 
> Tim
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