On 06.12.2009, at 20:31, Thomas Waldmann wrote: > On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 13:32 +0100, Marcel Stör wrote: >> For someone coming from the PHP-corner going through the install docs >> at http://master19.moinmo.in/InstallDocs/ can be a somewhat >> intimidating experience. At least if the "1 minute MoinMoin install" >> doesn't suit you. > > Well, php is easy because your web hoster installed mod_php and > configured everything for you, so you can just drop in your php files > and it works. > > You could have a similar experience with mod_wsgi and WSGI python apps > (moin is one), but only if your hoster really cares about Python/WSGI > and installs/configures that for you. > > The bad news is that most hosters don't, but let you alone with slow > cgi > or rather complicated fastcgi. > >> I would like use MoinMoin on the hosting account with my ISP i.e. I >> don't run my own server. Therefore, I don't have admin rights, I >> can't >> control Apache by myself and I can't use a shell. > > That's not quite the most comfortable environment to install moin > into. > > I am not saying that it is impossible, but it is somehow like painting > the living room through the keyhole. The best approach to make that > not > a complete pain is maybe to replicate your hoster's setup locally, > make > it work locally and then, after you have all working, ftp everything > to > the other side. > >> FTP...I can also set up virtual directories (activating CGI and >> FastCGI for them) and I can configure mod_rewrite rules. > > For both cgi and fastcgi, with moin 1.9, you'll have to use some (e.g. > "flup") middleware to convert that to wsgi. Please read flup's and > apache's docs about that (and have a look into wiki/server/ > directory in > your moin download). As soon as you manage to run any (test) wsgi > app on > your host, you are ready for moin and for our docs. > >> Looking at Python as "just another scripting language" (I assume for >> those who love it it's a bit more ;-)) I assume that it should be >> possible to run MoinMoin in such a confined environment. I simply >> haven't found related hints the docs or the FAQ. > > We only document running moin as a wsgi app, because wsgi is our > interface to the outer world. > > We won't document how you have to use apache or flup (or any other web > server or middleware needed), because there is better docs for that > written by other people. > > BTW, moin 1.8.x still offers a direct (fast)cgi interface, but the > future (1.9 and beyond) will be wsgi, for good reasons. :)
Ok, what I understood or rather "interpreted" going through the various installation documents: - if I can access and run myhost//wiki/server/test.wsgi once the archive is on the server I know that the host supports wsgi - then I'd have to follow http://moinmo.in/HowTo/Run%20Moin%20using%20the%20download%20archive because it's this document that describes the setup without setup.py Correct? Regards, Marcel -- Marcel Stör, http://www.frightanic.com Couchsurfing: http://www.couchsurfing.com/people/marcelstoer Skype: marcelstoer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev _______________________________________________ Moin-user mailing list Moin-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
