On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Null4Ever <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Eduardo,****
>
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>
> First of all, no problem with the delay to respond as long as you just
> send me a short message such as “Hi, I’m too busy right now, but I’ll come
> back to you within a week or so.” That’s fair.****
>
> ** **
>
> Now, I truly do appreciate your work and your community effort to make
> Monkey shine.****
>
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>
> However, even if it’s already a 10 year development effort, there are
> still a bunch of works to do (especially with your FASTcgi interface) to
> make it a winner and I’m sure you’ll succeed.****
>
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>
> Now, I’m very sorry but please I truly hope you won’t be hurt by my words
> about your “wr” tool that’s (in a very polite way to say it) nothing but a
> kid’s tool !****
>
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>
> Further, it’s an “ “ unfair solution for certain web servers since it
> isn’t able to start the maximum number of threads or processes that such or
> such other web server is able to handle using the basic weighttp tool you
> tried o “ “ wrap to automatically uses the maximum performance of any web
> server, accordingly to the hardware used to run these web servers (i.e. the
> unfair comparative Monkey Vs. Gwan published on your web site where your
> “wr” tool started a) an old release of Gwan and b) with only 2 threads – I
> tried your “wr” stuff with Apache2, Lighyttpd and Nginx and it’s the same
> thing.) !****
>
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>
It was initially built to test performance of Monkey on specific
conditions, i agree with you that i need to add more options to use all
capabilities of weighttp.
When the benchmarks were done, i used the available versions on that
moment: 1 year ago:
http://edsiper.linuxchile.cl/blog/2012/08/02/monkey_gwan_reputation/
> **
>
> So please, don’t pretend to make such a “ “ fair wrapper purportedly based
> on the Trustleap “ “ ab.c free and public development code!****
>
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>
honestly i just took the idea of ab.c, not sure why the comment about
"public development code", ALL our stack is OPEN.
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>
> Please… and we’ll stay friends since I’m sure you don’t want that I
> publicly comment your “ “ wr code.****
>
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>
As an independent reviewer you can talk about everything, i do not have
complains, if something dislikes or is not something what we really think,
we will let you know. And of course any benchmark will cause polemic for
any project, that is totally expected :)
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>
> That’s why I made my own specific wrapper using both weighttp and a bunch
> of code lines from the last “ab.c” developed by the G-WAN development team
> that is now able:****
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> - to measure a real growing load of concurrent clients requesting small or
> large amount of simultaneous requests of small or large static and dynamic
> contents,****
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> - to collect and display (both on screen and in result formatted files to
> be directly be usable to draw charts) a lot of system information such as
> used resources, execution timings, errors and so on in order to:****
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> a) be reproduced by anyone on any system,****
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> b) tracks “ “ cheaters publishing false or “ “ oriented results!****
>
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> Of course, the source code of my tool as well as the OSes system settings
> will be available within my article and will be freely downloadable from a
> web site.****
>
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> As I said to you earlier several times, I don’t want to be unfair with any
> contender!****
>
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>
> The results will be the results, with a fair analysis of the “ “ pros and
> “ “ cons of each product.****
>
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>
that sounds good, but consider one thing when writing the results: Monkey
DO NOT do caching for any HTTP response based on previous requests or
response bodies. When doing benchmarks you will see some servers tweaked to
behave "tricky" when a benchmark is detected based on same request made in
a fraction of time.
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> And even more, I will of course publish the different basic settings used
> from “ “ scratch for each web server, but also before to publish them, I
> will (as I’ve done with you) request to each competitor to give me its “
> “advice to get the best of the bread of my 2 hardware references (a – an
> AMD based server and b – a similar Intel based server) that are commonly
> used today by ISPs and ISVs.****
>
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>
will you also consider benchmarks on VMs based on Xen or KVM ?
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> Furthermore, the comparative tests will be made on these 2 reference based
> systems with ALL of the following OSes:****
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> - the “ “ pure ArchLinux rowing 64 bit,****
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> - CentOS (final release) 64 bit,****
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> - Debian 7 (Wheezy) 64 bit,****
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> - Fedora 18 (Schrödinger’Cat) 64 bit,****
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> - LinuxMint 15 (Olivia) 64 Bit,****
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> - The very rapidly growing Manjaro 64 bit,****
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> - Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 (Santiago) 64 bit,****
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> - Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS 64 bit (because the facts is it’s still the fastest
> of all the Ubuntu “ “ collection yet – sorry to Canonical about its
> wandering with “ “ Unity stuff…but numbers are numbers),****
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> - And Ubuntu 13.04 64 Bit (the last one Canonical flagship – just to play
> with it…).****
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> As I said to you earlier, I’m not affiliated with any contender (OS or Web
> Server providers)! ****
>
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>
> I’m only “ “ paid by my publisher editor and “ “ our goal is to clean up a
> little bit this “ “ dark arena (where anyone is using cheating measures and
> fake arguments to pretend to be the “ “ best).****
>
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> So, the contender list of my article (not by preference but only by
> alphabetical order) is:****
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> - Apache2****
>
> - Cherokee****
>
> - Gwan****
>
> - IIS (the only one tested with the MSFT Windows 7 64 bit OS)****
>
> - Lighttpd****
>
> - Monkey****
>
> - Nginx****
>
> - Tomcat****
>
> - Varnish****
>
> - Zend Server****
>
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> Then… you now know who are all the Monkey’s contenders… and trust me, the
> “ “ race will be tough!****
>
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>
> BTW, to make you feel comfortable, you already got a very high point with
> your responsiveness to support your user folks… (like me)!****
>
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>
> Hope we’ll nicely talk again soon.****
>
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>
> Cheers and once again, thank you for your response.****
>
> Null4ever… !****
>
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>
> PS: BTW, please don’t “ “ rely too much on my writer “ “ pseudo. I’m not
> that such a “ “ dumb Linux beginner my pseudo is used for! LoL. J****
>
> **
>
Feel free to write us back for anything. Also please let us know when you
will start working on this because a new Monkey is coming.
best,
Eduardo Silva
http://edsiper.linuxchile.cl
http://monkey-project.com
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