Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant Novell "donating" the ownership of the code base to Xamarin so they could continue developing the for-profit product. Or like selling them the rights for a dollar or something.
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Stifu <[email protected]> wrote: > Guys, it's "Xamarin", not "Xamian". :p > You are mixing Xamarin with Ximian (company founded by Miguel and bought by > Novell). Although the Xamarin name was probably chosen because it sounded > similar. > > "2) Attachmate open-sources the whole thing (if they're nice)" > > About this, it may be nice to users, but if given away for free, would > prevent Xamarin from making money from these products (which might prevent > the company from being profitable?). It just doesn't sound likely at all, > anyway. Attachmate would have nothing to gain in doing that, and possibly > the opposite: customers bitching about how they paid for a product that > turned free a little while later. > > > Mike Christensen-2 wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:25 PM, jmalcolm <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Mike Christensen-2 wrote: >>>> >>>> Are the iOS and Android Mono Frameworks that Xamarin is creating a >>>> totally different code-base from MonoTouch and MonoDroid? What has >>>> become of the formerly Novell owned MonoTouch/Droid products? Are >>>> those just being scrapped completely? >>>> >>>> If these are going to be totally new products, will they be designed >>>> similar to the Novell products (eg, will it be easy to port from the >>>> Novell platform).. >>>> >>> >>> Attachmate owns MonoTouch and Mono for Android. We do not know what they >>> plan to do with them (but they have no Mono team now). I doubt they will >>> just hand them over to Xamarin. Time will tell. >>> >>> Xamarin has said that they will create new versions of these products >>> with >>> something appearing in 3-4 months. So, I would expect perhaps six months >>> for >>> a real product. According to Miguel, the Xamarin products will be API >>> compatible which just makes sense. >>> >>> Basically, you can use the Attachmate stuff today with the intent to >>> replace >>> it with Xamarin products when they are ready. >>> >>> It is a little unclear to me what Xamarin needs to re-write and what they >>> do >>> not. For example, a good chunk of MonoTouch was common with MonoMac >>> (which >>> is open source). All this common code is available on GitHub as the >>> MacCore >>> project under the MIT/X11 license. I see no reason why Xamarin could not >>> use >>> it. >>> >>> I think a big part of the engineering effort for MonoTouch was the full >>> AOT >>> (Ahead of Time) compilation and the selective linker. Most of that is in >>> Mono proper I imagine and so should also be available to Xamarin. The >>> LLVM >>> integration to optimize the native code on iOS is also out in the open. >>> >>> A lot of the changes would be in MonoDevelop as well, which is also Open >>> Source. I would think much of the work to support XCode4 integration >>> would >>> be in the IDE for example. Work to support intellisense for MonoTouch and >>> Mono for Android would largely be in the IDE as well. Code to integrate >>> the >>> device simulators would be too. Basically, every time I think about it, I >>> think of more stuff they could use. There is also all the Sliverlight on >>> Android stuff they were doing... >>> >>> Anyway, the point is that Xamarin cannot just use MonoTouch or Mono for >>> Android but, despite this, they probably do not really need to write >>> those >>> products fully from scratch either. It must sure help to have all the >>> knowledge required and the ability to just use the fully designed API on >>> each platform. >> >> Great info! Thanks.. >> >> As far as what becomes of MonoTouch (though it seems like most of the >> /real/ work is part of the open source dependencies) is up to >> Attachmate.. However, I could see three possible scenarios: >> >> 1) Attachmate just abandons the MonoTouch code (if they're mean) >> 2) Attachmate open-sources the whole thing (if they're nice) >> 3) Attachmate sells the IP to Xamian for cheap (if such a deal could >> be worked out).. >> >> I'm very glad to see the Mono guys are still all together - starting a >> new company was an awesome idea, I'm definitely a bit jealous.. If I >> had some money I'd want to help fund this effort.. >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> Mono-list maillist - [email protected] >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list >> > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Suitability-of-Mono-tp3538305p3540369.html > Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Mono-list maillist - [email protected] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > _______________________________________________ Mono-list maillist - [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
