Well, in Xamarin team's defense, I have to say "MonoTouch" and "Mono for Android" were not very clear or consistent names.
Dropping the Mono name is a bit sad, but I hope it'll succeed. Doug wrote > I don't really see it as a big issue; companies rebrand all the time. > > The mono 'brand' is encumbered by a bunch of negative associations, > largely > to do with it being abandoned by novell, discarded by linux, a second > class > citizen to the 'official' windows C# runtime. > > Abandoning the name to try to build a new brand isn't a new idea; building > a sustainable company when your core product has these associations > attached to it must be painful. > > Did you read the hacker news responses to the new products? > > Generally positive, but full of 'cross platform UI's don't work' comments. > Ouch. Yes, moonlight (and silverlight) were a waste of time and no one > liked or used them. ...but that's history now. That's why the new product > suite is all about creating native user interfaces for different platforms > and binding them to a common backend logic. > > This seems to be a much more successful approach, but because of the > legacy > of moonlight, people don't immediately appreciate that, and stay away. > > There's a lot of really great work going on here, (never mind the > increasingly popular MonoGame drawing developers in). I think your > comments > are a little unjustified. > > It's just a brand name change. > > All the code is up on github; it's not going anywhere. > > ~ > Doug. > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Dimitar Dobrev < > dpldobrev@ > >wrote: > >> Hello, all, >> >> I guess most of you see the announcement of Xamarin 2.0 as good news. >> However, I cannot help but feel the opposite. Let me tell you why: >> >> 1. At the Xamarin 2.0 FAQ <http://xamarin.com/xamarin-2.0-faq> >> it says: >> Our new product brands are: >> >> Xamarin.iOS (replaces MonoTouch) >> Xamarin.Android (replaces Mono for Android) >> Xamarin Studio, our new IDE (replaces MonoDevelop) >> >> That is, the name "Mono" is now completely phased out of the Xamarin >> product line. At the Xamarin Studio page >> <http://xamarin.com/studio> , >> MonoDevelop, upon which the Studio is based, is not mentioned once! Are >> you >> ashamed of MonoDevelop after you've been offering it to customers for >> years? >> At the Xamarin main page <http://xamarin.com/> Mono is mentioned >> only >> once at the very bottom, under the "Community" section - is Mono no >> longer >> part of Xamarin itself? >> I think this is not the beginning but rather the end of a process that >> started with the renaming of MonoMac to Xamarin.Mac (and please don't >> tell >> me "MonoMac is our community-supported version" because I haven't heard >> about it since). Then was the renaming of YOUR MonoSpace conference to >> MonkeySpace and the explanation was really ridiculous - "bigger scope... >> open source .NET development in general" (Miguel de Icaza at that very >> same >> "Monkey"Space conference). What bigger scope? .NET runs only on Windows, >> be >> it desktop or phone, while Mono runs on tens of platforms, including >> Windows. Yes, I do understand it's about "the scope of the community" but >> how broader is that community since the only significant piece of .NET >> missing in Mono is WPF? >> Mono is the core of your company, both historically and at present, >> since >> all of your products are based on it. And you are removing its name from >> anywhere it's mentioned. I don't see this as justified even for marketing >> reasons because if people know about you, it's because of Mono. That is, >> "Mono" is your marketing message. If you do reply to this mail, I'd >> really >> like to hear something a little deeper that "The change of our product >> names >> does not mean we are abandoning Mono, we are going to support it just as >> before". We all know how this works out: the name is abandoned, time >> passes, >> many current users forget about it, new users do not learn it at all, and >> after a little more time the project itself is abandoned. This kind of >> tactics reminds me of a very specific company which leads me to: >> 2. "Microsoft Joins Xamarin Evolve 2013 as Sole Platinum Sponsor" >> < >> http://blog.xamarin.com/microsoft-joins-xamarin-evolve-2013-as-sole-platinum-sponsor/ >> > >> - I believe Microsoft have proven time and time again that they are >> enemies >> of Mono in particular and of open source in general. I do not want to >> quote >> a large part of the web on that but let me say a few words just about >> Mono. >> Miguel, you may remember you said "Microsoft as a company are not >> open-source-friendly" yourself at FOSDEM at the beginning of 2011. You >> may >> also remember how you at the same conference you told the story how you >> showed your C# REPL to Microsoft just before PDC 2008 and once they saw >> that, they changed their program and rushed their C# REPL with the only >> intent of showing it before you did. The proof that they didn't have a >> working product back then (while you did) lies in the simple fact that >> now, >> 5 (five!) years later Microsoft still do not have a working version >> (Roslyn >> is still a CTP and nobody knows when it's going to be released). While at >> the same time your C# REPL has been constantly evolving up to the point >> that >> NRefactory is based upon it. You may also remember that just a few months >> later that same 2011 the whole Mono team was ousted when Novell was >> bought >> my Attachmate - and its patents sold to a consortium of technology >> companies >> led by Microsoft (CPTN Holdings). For last I'd like to return to >> MonoSpace >> and the fact that a little before the renaming in the organization were >> involved a number of Microsoft employees, such as Scott Hanselman, and I >> don't believe they have nothing to do with the erasure of "Mono". >> >> I've been a Mono user for years and I'd really like for it to continue >> to >> flourish. It's just that I don't see this happening if everything goes on >> like that. I hope there will be positive change, it's not nearly late for >> it. >> >> Regards, >> Dimitar Dobrev >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Xamarin-2-0-concern-tp4658722.html >> Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Mono-list maillist - > [email protected] >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mono-list maillist - > [email protected] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list -- View this message in context: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Xamarin-2-0-concern-tp4658722p4658726.html Sent from the Mono - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Mono-list maillist - [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
