Hi
Comments inline:
On 2011.07.20 15:05, Wally McClure wrote:
While I think we all want a better design time layout solution, this
is an issue that we can work around short/medium term. For me, the
debugger and the performance are issues #1 and #1, by a long shot. I
did a talk back at the beginning of May on mobile at a high level.
Two guys that work at a company I am familiar with said that they had
looked at mono for android and decided to not not use monotouch and
mono for android because of the debugger in monodroid. Would it have
been a huge sale? I don't know, but it would have been a mono design
win and it would have been a win for me/us as well as they would have
been interested in our training. If these problems had been fixed,
would the sale have been made? I'm not sure, but I know that this
company was using .NET for their development so I think it had a good
possibility.
Our team has managed to overcome debugging issues through multi-targeting.
Usually we star our project with several targets (WP7, silverlight, WF,
WPF).
Business-Logic is in separate assembly shared as project link and c#
files as source links.
It woudl be simplified MVC, MVVM model with Controller merged either in
Business or
Presentation (View Layer).
Great help is ProjectLinker tool (VS addin, see VS gallery, on codeplex)
developed by
MS project prism team for sharing code between WFP and Silverlight....
It is possible to exclude links with *.WPF.cs and *silevlight.cs, so
they are not linked accross projects.
Tool has some flaws (we have tried to introduce *.WF.cs, *.M4A.cs,
WP7.cs extensions for other
project types, got the code but had not enough resources to pull it
through, so filled an issue on
codeplex).
We have more than 70-80% code written in BusinessLogic layer and use
DataBinding for
WF, WPF, Silverlight etc.
So most of the debugging is in BL and can be done with desktop targets
WF or WPF...
And this is not so slow...
When this is done then there is some debugging done with M4A, but it is
not a lot...
Hope this experience helps someone...
Regards
mel
I'd definitely add Amir's suggestion of stability as well to mine. I
have seen exceptions occur with no warning and messaging as well.
Wally
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To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:18:32 +0200
Subject: Re: [mono-android] wishlist
I actually create the layouts in eclipse and copies the result to my
VS project. It's a bit clumsy, but it works...
--Rune
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[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berry
*Sent:* den 20 juli 2011 14:03
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [mono-android] wishlist
I would really like to see some kind of integrated form designer to
keep me happy and visual, but I'm ok without.
On 20/07/2011 11:20, Amir Waldman wrote:
My wishlist:
·Debugger speed
·Runtime reliability
Current product is very slow to debug and unstable at runtime. It
crashes without showing any exception.
I hope these good news can bring a new life to Mono for Android
Best Regards,
Amir
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Wally McClure
*Sent:* Monday, July 18, 2011 5:38 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [mono-android] wishlist
With the good news regarding the status of Monotouch and Mono for
Android, its time for my M4A short term wishlist:
* Getting the debugger working. Debugging applications is an
integral part of what developers do. Debugging in Visual Studio
has got to be improved.
* Performance. It seems that apps written in M4A seem to run really
slowly in comparison java apps running on android.
Medium term would be honeycomb and tablet support along with mapping.
Wally
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