FWIW:
I'll admit, I'm jealous of both groups of owners.
If it makes anyone feel better, puff out your chest
knowing that your boat is more robust, roomier, and
just plain nicer than my Venture17. Go ahead, I can
take it. But, while I day dream about getting a nicer
boat in a couple of years (maybe when I and my crew
are less prone to tackle pilings and piers), I still
enjoy sailing my old cheapo V17.
That's why it's named Paedphor.
"It's not much, but it's Paedphor."
(PAIDFOR)
Fairwinds.
(And I really do like both the Montgomerys and the
Potters - listed here in alphabetical order...)
--- "Judith Franklin Blumhorst, DC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With all due respect for the Montgomery boats
> (because I DO like the
> Montgomery boats), what Bob said about Potters is
> just plain inaccurate.
>
> I've got a 16 year old Potter 19 that's been sailed
> up and down the west
> coast from the San Juans to Mexico, and she doesn't
> have ANY gelcoat cracks
> (except where she was T-boned once and a few at the
> base of the bow pulpit
> stanchions from hitting something hard enough to
> bend the 1" stainless steel
> bow pulpit into a pretzel). She's as sound and as
> tough as a tug boat.
>
> As for the heaviness of the Montegomery layup vs the
> "flimsyness" of the
> Potter 19-- it's hard to argue with facts like
> weight...
>
> A Montgomery 17 is 17'2 LOA, has about 1000 pounds
> of fiberglass and other
> "stuff" (It weighs 1600 pounds, with 600 of it in
> ballast)
>
> A Potter 19 is 18'3" LOA, and has about 1155 pounds
> of fiberglass and stuff
> (It weighs 1425 pounds, with 270 pounds of ballast).
>
> The "blue water" Potter 19 is 18'3" LOA has 1455
> pounds of fiberglass and
> other stuff. (It has a couple of extra layers of
> glass in the hull and
> weighs 300 pounds more than the standard P19).
>
> The fiberglass on my Potter 19 is better than 3/16"
> on each half of the
> hull-to-deck joint, for a total of nearly 1/2". The
> fiberglass on the hull
> below the waterline is more than 1/4" thick,
> reinforced with hollow
> half-tube stringers made of fiberglass.
>
> Bob was inaccurate about the price of a Potter 19
> too. The $11,500 "Popular
> Options" package buys a well equipped Potter 19,
> with the following: a
> trailer with sideguides and tongue jack, 5 hp
> 2-stroke Nissan outboard (a
> 4-stroke is $280 extra), mainsail with reef points
> and slugs, 100% jib,
> battery, bow and stern and steaming lights, lighted
> compass, cabin lights,
> bow pulpit, stern rails, transom ladder, opening
> ports with screens, marine
> portapotty, butane stove, 15 gallon fresh water
> system with deck fill, built
> in 34 quart cooler, and more. Of course, some Potter
> owners manage to spend
> thousands more on boat covers, biminis, dodgers,
> roller furling, built-in
> porcelain marine toilets, stereo CD players, etc.
> Details are at
> http://www.westwightpotter.com/
>
> How did IM sell over 400 P19's and 250 Potter 15's
> since 1999? It's not
> from advertising - they hardly advertise. It's from
> word of mouth by
> satisfied owners. Potter owners like their boats,
> and they tell others...
> Happy owners are good for sales. Contrary to what
> Bob wrote, 99% of Potter
> owners ARE extremely happy with their boats. The
> boats don't develop
> gelcoat cracks after a few sails, Potter owners
> aren't afraid to sail them,
> and a well optioned 5 year old Potter 19 sells for
> about 75% of a comparable
> brand new one. And the used Potters sell quickly!
>
> As for the "carnage" on the Potter Forum: there are
> three guys out of 650
> satisfied customers in the last three years that
> have a gripe with the
> builder, International Marine. I'm sure the folks
> at International Marine
> will do everything they can to make them happy.
>
> Fair winds, Judy B, 1985 West Wight Potter #266,
> Redwing, San Francisco Bay.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: West Wight Potters
>
>
> You know whats funny about all the complainers on
> the
> Potter board?
>
> I have emailed and talked to most of those people in
> the last 2 years
> who are very unhappy with their new $14000 to $16000
> Potter
> 19s.
> I tried to explain to everyone of them what the
> difference between
> a properly built Lyle Hess and Jerry Montgomery
> designed boat
> was and a West Wight Potter.
>
> I tried to tell everyone of them that Potters were
> junk and
> for the same money, they could get a real nice
> Montgomery
> 17 thats top quality in every way and will out-sail
> any
> other boat in its size range. (and larger)
>
> They bought the Potters anyway....
>
> All of those people seemed like nice, rational new
> sailors
> who unfortunately didn't ask the right questions
> before
> buying a Potter.
>
> They are all angry at International Marine...
>
> I was at International Marine a couple of weeks ago
> and
> I can't tell you how thin and flimsy the lay-up for
> the hulls
> (that I saw) was. No wonder the gelcoat cracks on
> most potters
> in the first couple of sails....
>
> I felt very proud that we build boats that are
> probably
> 5 times stronger than most others. (really overbuilt
> but
> NO PROBLEMS.......EVER.!)
>
> These people are stuck with boats that they are
> afraid to
> sail and can never sell. Repairs are expensive when
> you
> don't build a boat right to begin with.
>
> Repairing a Potter is like re-arranging the deck
> chairs on
> the Titanic.....when your done, you still have a
> potter....
>
> Just my opinion......
>
> Fair winds
>
> Bob Eeg
> Norsea and Montgomery boats.
> www.Montgomeryboats.com
> www.Norseayachts.com
> (949) 489-8227
>
>
>
> Potter Skipper wrote:
>
> > First you go ahead and kick major butt at the
> Cruisers
> > Challenge, and not this! ;-)
> >
> > Check out the West Wight Potter Page at the
> Trailer
> > Sailor Board, I have never before seen such
> carnage!
> >
> > I think it might be time to change my name to
> > 'Montgomery Skipper'.
> >
> > http://www.trailersailor.com/forums/potter
> >
> > Anybody want to buy a used Potter for cheap?
> >
> >
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