I really like Mootools/Prime as well and would like to see that it is not dying.
Would the organisation behind Mootools (defining milestones/todos/issues, setup irc meetings etc) be “better” (I know, it’s a hard word, sorry) I could contribute a lot of stuff as I’m working primarily with Mootools in my product that has a huge javascript codebase. But the thing is, always when I’m motivated and am looking at Mootools/Prime issue tracker I feel so helpless. It feels like it’s a "hidden organisation” which acts in the underground. Not much information reach the surface and I’ve no idea how I can exactly contribute/being a part of Mootools/Prime to make it even better - if that’s is even desired. Maybe it’s just me, but I even read the blog post '2013/03/18/contributing-to-mootools’ but it didn’t help. When you comment on github issues and don’t get a answer because it’s already half-dead then it won’t help. Maybe a more official way of contributing as a guide-line (instead of writing own experiences or general tips of contributing to open-source projects) could help to have a easier way into the project. It’s for sure really hard and time-consuming to create a community around a product/library, but I guess here in this group are a lot motivated guys that might provide some sort of a helping hand. I agree with Trevor Orr. We need more classes/“plugins". I mean, there was a time where jQuery was a synonym for plain Javascript tasks. Questions like “How can I multiply two numbers” were answered with “There’s a jQuery plugin for it”. For anything on earth was/is a fu*** jQuery plugin, that is ridiculous, especially when you take into consideration that jQuery does not provide a OO/class pattern like Mootools with “Class” it does. That is also the reason why most jQuery plugins are developed without any pattern/with a horrible quality. That does not really argue in jQuery’s favour, but says something about jQuery’s users. I really believe the actual average user of jQuery is a beginner, which is totally fine to me, but this means that Mootools is probably to difficult/complicated for newbies. Mootools is maybe for guys with more experiences and perhaps Mootools or the coming Prime should be just more noob-friendly, whereby at the same time very powerful for advanced users. For example: that AMD/modularization stuff is very difficult to understand for beginners but awesome powerful for pros. The explanation how to use Prime without that (WrapUp) should be explained very well and be one of the first topics on the new website. Also because most classic websites out there won’t use AMD. I _don’t want_ to see mootools/prime dying, because it’s the only serious alternative to jQuery&guys. I don’t want to mix lot of libraries like lodash/jQuery/bla/foo. I just want to have anything I need from one vendor where anything is compatible between each other and get a benefit from using it together. I’d be open to invest much time into prime&friends, but I don't even know whether it’s even desired and how to start. Greetings, Marc — Marc J. Schmidt http://marcjschmidt.de On 27.12.2013, at 23:41, Sérgio Crisóstomo <[email protected]> wrote: > fractorr, I agree. > > More developers making their Mootools based apps available is a good idea and > easy to contribute with things that you do anyway. > Personally I think much of what is in the Forge, would need a facelift. > Very good ideas in their own time. Some are still really usefull. > > /Sergio > > On Friday, 27 December 2013 18:58:37 UTC+1, fractorr wrote: > I think one of the biggest issues with MooTools dying out is that there are > not nearly as many free/open source classes built by the community available > as there is for jQuery and thus the reason for someone new to JavaScript > would be more likely to go with jQuery over MooTools. > > Just like many of the MooTools users I am just as much of this problem and > maybe if more of us could contribute to the Forge that would be a good start. > I submitted my first class to the Forge close to a year ago and it is still > on page 2, now that is big problem in my eyes. > > I really like MooTools but like most developers I am too busy working on my > own business to really help in contributing to the cause and I assume so are > the awesome MooTools developers, they need a life too. > > Maybe we just need to develop a jQuery to MooTools conversion application :) > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Sérgio Crisóstomo <[email protected]> wrote: > Chad, Rolf, > > Mootools still works, so use it. Someone said to me once: The reason Mootools > is not updated so often is because it is tested and stable J > > Anyway, You can use Mootools 1.x (1.5 is actually coming up) and you can > also use the method .on() in the “new” Elements: > https://github.com/mootools/elements/blob/master/doc/elements.md#method-on > > > > > I think more news about this will be coming up soon. > > > > Chad: it’s jQuery, not gayQuery. Not nice if this group turns into a anti – > jQuery place. > > Cheers! > > Sérgio > > > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MooTools Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > Trevor Orr > FractOrr Computer Services > fractorr.com > 541-490-5697 > > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MooTools Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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