Indeed - it certainly isn't too fragrant. I've no doubt many sellers give
blood, sweat and tears in building up an excellent feedback record over many
years and then have to suffer in these very cases.

My other half has recently encountered  bidders who think that they can
decide after they have won that they 'don't actually want the item any
longer' .. and then refuse to pay.  One chap in particular was completely
deluded and actually appeared to be puzzled when payment was demanded. He
behaved as if the whole online auction process was just a game he could play
and back out of at any point.

It does seem horribly unfair in this type of situation. I know if negative
feedback was left for this non-payer that he could, nay probably would
retaliate by leaving a neg too.

Having a feedback system is a wonderful thing for both seller and buyer
alike but when it can be 'abused' in this way, surely a re-think of the
rules governing the system must be in order.

You mentioned the fact that many volume sellers don't leave negative
feedback to prevent retaliation but surely they have a duty to let other
sellers (both large and small alike) know that a user is a non-payer?
Letting them get away scot-free just encourages the buggers to keep doing
it.


Shelly



----Original Message Follows----
From: Bruce Hershenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Bruce Hershenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MOPO] MoPo:  eBay's feedback system stinks!
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:35:37 -0500

I have one of greatest number of overall eBay feedbacks (88,615 and
growing), and last I checked there were only around 60 eBay sellers IN ANY
CATEGORY who had more feedbacks than me (and I would bet my 8 million
dollars in sales exceeds all but a handful of those 60 sellers).

I also have the best feedback record of any over 50,000 feedback seller, by
a wide margin.  I have 11 undeserved negatives, and the other sellers with
feedback totals similar to mine have mostly hundreds of negatives, some in
the high hundreds.

Many volume sellers don't leave any negative feedback at all.  They don't
want any undeserved retaliatory feedbacks, and besides, they reason that
leaving negatives only helps other sellers, not themselves (many eBay
sellers are very shortsighted).

However I ALWAYS leave negative feedback on those who never pay me.  I feel
that if someone like me won't leave negatives, then the entire system is a
joke and should be junked.  So once a month I leave negative feedback on
those who have not paid me on 60 day old transactions (some I can't leave
on because they have already been kicked off).

I just left this month's negatives (six of them, which is pretty standard,
as I don't get paid by around 15 people every month, but usually 5 to 10 of
them have already been kicked off).  Now I have to wait and sweat for a few
weeks to see if any of those six losers decide to leave retaliatory
negatives, which they are completely free to do under the eBay system!  I
have a real worry, since most of my 11 negative feedbacks came under these
exact circumstances.

Here is the feedback of one of the six:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jteesmith

Obviously this is a complete and total loser.  And yet he can leave
negatives on all he "bought" from (even though he never paid anyone) and
there is nothing any of the sellers can do about it!  Is there not
something terrible wrong with this system?  How can it be fixed?

Bruce
eMoviePoster.com

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