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Perhaps only a old (and dab) hand like Phil would be
aware of all the invidious minsitrations that impede the virtuous bidder's
progress to his well-deserved end (item).
Is there really much shill bidding? The last round of
discussion dealt with issues of one-bid auctions and a plethora of buy-it-now
selling, so that doesn't support the notion of widespread underhanded running-up
of items' prices. Mainly I see one-two-three bid auctions for autographs,
stills, lobbies and sometimes posters on most well-respected and -patronised
sites, with spirited, multiple bidding on posters when they are rare or
otherwise interesting (or even mundane if on Bruce Hershenson's site). Mostly I
bid against a variety of people who focus on certain items or genres and I
see them regularly - their feddback is generally + and consistent. I don't
really worry about shilling, but really should I?
As for sniping, if a bidder does not use a service, as I do
not, then the whole auction process is fraught with interest, excitement and
yes, heartbreak, (remedied shortly thereafter with a good single malt and
the recollection that virtually everything comes around again).
And, if the recently excpressed anxiety about the precipitous
drop-off of prices and minimum values is actually true, then the longer I go
without the more likely I'll get what I want for less than I am willing to pay
now. What could be better: not having with the delicious anticipation
that if I wait long enough (or underbid often enough) eventually "sellers"
will be clamoring to pay me to take their stuff (deflationary disacquisitionary
markets rule!). Mind, I might die in the process of sublimating all that
anticipation for the Barbarella B, but what a way to go: poised at 3AM
bleary-eyed and addle-pated enough to bid more than I can afford against a
computer in Vanuatu knowing I will not be fast enough on a 128bit machine to
post a (winning?) bid starting any closer to the end than about 25 seconds. I
much prefer the fun of being there than the sterility of double absentee
bidding. And, again, if I miss the piece, then fortune dictates
that it will come up again and I can try to get it for less than I numbly
bid in the nether hours. Plus look at all the money I have saved by not winning,
which oddly goes for food and shelter and good malt scotch (not necessarily in
that order) with some for Dario to fix the likes of Aussie onesheet "Quebec".
Even then, using this particularly ill-regimented process, I have managed to
amass a few of the items in which I am interested and along the way many more
bits of ill-considered detritus, (though the horrormeisters and sci-fi geeks
need not fear that I'll be aiming down any sniper scope at their
drool-encrusted treasures).
Craig, Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:39
PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] sniping
I used to do my own sniping years ago but now
use a sniping program for two reasons - neither of which have to do with the
guarantee of winning the item. Firstly, I'm too old and too over it to be
bothered setting the clock for 3 a.m. to snipe it myself, and secondly I got
sick of sellers running up my early-placed high bid by some obvious shills (as
in registered two days after the auction started, or have a buying history
that reflected nothing - and I mean nothing - in their interest in the
current item).... not to mention all those IDs that bid on the same auctions
week in and week out and never win anything.
Phil
Phil Edwards Cinema Arts Pty Ltd 26 Vista Avenue Soldiers
Point NSW 2317 AUSTRALIA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone/Fax
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:18
AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO/ see! there we
go with the watchers again
Randall,
Think about it for a second:
On eBay, you *have* to use a sniper program if you want to win --
because other bidders are using them and you don't stand much of a chance if
you don't as well.
On MPB, you don't have to use a sniper program -- because no one else
is using them either! So you can enter your maximum bid at any time (from
your watchlist if you like) and know that it will be processed against
others bids in a timely fashion -- and that as the auction closes
if anyone wants to try and put in a last-minute bid that they need to
do it without "cutting it too close" or their last-second bid won't get in
before the auction closes. So you can actually watch the item you want close
and bid competitively at the end (manually) and have a "real auction"
instead of a behind-the-scenes shootout where the computers, not the
people, do everything in milliseconds and it's all automatic.
Probably some day one or more of the sniper programs will decide
to add MPB support -- I personally think it will be a sad day when that
happens.
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
17:09
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO/ see! there
we go with the watchers again
It's obvious that there are many perfectly valid reasons
for 'watching' an
auction. Here's one more:
The easiest
way to set up a bid list in the autosnipe program Auction
Sentry is to
add each item to your ebay watch list as you come across them
(one
click), and then later instruct Auction Sentry to batch add all
your
ebay watched items to it's own bid list (2 clicks).
If you
bid on many items and prefer to snipe (that is, prefer to win),
this is
the most efficient technique that I've found.
BTW, one of the
significant limitations of MoPoBid (for me) is that no
sniping software
or website supports it (to my knowledge).
Randy
Petersen
<quote who="Vesna Acevska.">
> There are
many items I own which I see listed and usually watch them to
> see
where they end up.
> There might also be a few of the same item
listed so I tend to watch these
> and see where they both end
up.
> Also, there will be times that I see an item I would be
interested in
> purchasing, but might be able to pick it up for a
lesser price from one of
> the regular sellers I use, so again it's
watched until I make a
> decision...
>
>> Hey
Jack
>>
>> I watch all the time and that's exactly what
it is watching... - maybe I
>> already own the piece and would
like to see what it brings, maybe I
>> don't have the cash on
hand now and I'll just keep the final price in
>> mind next time
I bid, maybe I need it to remind myself to snipe later
>>
on...maybe I'm just curious as what the final price will bring...so
I
>> watch...just because you watch an infomercial doesn't mean
you'll buy
>> the knives or hair in a can...its just a form of
entertainment
>> sometimes.
>>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>> From: MoPo List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jack
>>
Gold
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:54 AM
>> To:
[email protected]
>>
Subject: [MOPO] MOPO/ see! there we go with the watchers
again
>>
>>
>> item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
>>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3867686347&s>
>
sPageName=STRK:MESE:IT>
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&rd=1&item=3867686347&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
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>>
"Scarface" daybill with Pacino. Opening bid $14 bucks. Gimme a break.
5
>> watchers. Tell me whats up with the watchers? I still don't
understand
>> it... whats to watch. Like I said I've got a Graven
Images book and a
>> Million Dollar Baby posters so e-mail me and
tell me how to put it on
>> MPB?? Mr.
JRS>>>>>!!!!
>> Thanks I will do that this
afternoon
>>
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