Dear Vaughn,
You are absolutely correct. Material did indeed go back to
NSS. When several of the NSS locations closed in the mid 70's or thereabouts
they sold off their paper stock. I know several people that bought that
material. They said the paper was laid out on pallets and sold by the pound. The
material they bought was in all conditions, some never used and some used
extensively. As you aptly pointed out with the NSS stamp on the back of your
poster, material was to be returned to NSS after the screening. Almost every
vintage movie poster that I own has that statement clearly printed at the bottom
of the poster. Now, of course, much of the material was never returned for
various reasons and, in part, that is why so many of us own vintage movie
posters. We have a longtime dealer, right here on our group, that amassed an
enormous collection from traveling the country and going into little towns
across America and asking the local real estate agent if he could look for
material in the manager's offices of the many closed down little theaters
he found. Many times they just gave it to him to clear it out. This was in the
60's. Those are my kind of finds.
Sue Heim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:32
PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] my conversation with
bruce, today
JR,
Of course you make a good point JR; perhaps the
following might illustrate.
Some time ago I related an experience(on
MOPO) I had as a kid back in NH, running 35mm projectors at my Dad's
theatre. After the last show of the night and the closing of a given film, I
used to run the film cans down two flights of stairs for the film truck. I
would also on many occasion put the "paper adv.(whatever it might be;
certainly 1sheets, lobby sets, stills etc.)" with the film to either be taken
to the next theatre in the small theatre circuit to be used there
or.........to go back to National Screen....Don't ask me how the
sub=contracted film Truck would get the material back to NSS, but..........it
did.
I was immediately challenged and believe it was Bruce that told me
"I must be confused" because material did not go back to NSS.........I, quite
frankly, let the issue drop, however........., just to illustrate a point
.....I still have material from those days, that probably should have gone
back to NSS, but remained in the theater. One of the one sheets has the
following stamped on the back........Please click on the Link
below:
<http://home.earthlink.net/~vmann1/ROCKETSHIPXMS1S.JPG>
I
guess this is probably not the best example, but...........it does illustrate
the point you were making, right? Have a good night all............Vaughn
Mann
At 03:50 PM 4/27/2005 -0500, JRS wrote:
Gary,
Now see, this
is what I mean. I have no reason to doubt what you just said -- it's not
uncommon for sellers to make up provenances -- but you offered absolutely no
details or "evidence" to support your charge. Not long ago a buyer
discovered that Heritage had used a digitally-doctored photo for an auction
-- and was able to prove it beyond a doubt by showing the poster he won
side-by-side with the doctored photo used in the auction that he bid on.
This was proof. With that evidence people on MOPO were able to confront Grey
Smith here publicly and he really had no choice but to respond with a public
explanation, admit that this had accidentally happened with "several"
auctions in the past, and take action to insure that this kind of thing
never happened again. That's getting somewhere. That is an effective use of
a public forum to shed light on a problem and advocate change.
But if you just say "When Bruce is unknowledgeable about a
posters provenance he makes it up. I've seen him do this several
times" WITHOUT citing specific examples... well, you are making what is
known as an "unsubstantiated allegation" and that gets us nowhere. I mean,
if as you say, you've "seen him do this several times" then you should be
able to give us specific examples. If you didn't happen to save such
evidence the last few times you saw him do this, then you should start
gathering evidence now from current and future auctions and THEN make the
accusation when you can back it up with something.
If we don't
apply standards like this then anyone can accuse anyone of anything. I can
say, for instance "When Gary doesn't like how much a dealer is asking for a
poster, he just breaks into his house and steals it. I've seen him do this
several times."
You see what I mean? You need to have something
to back up an accusation or you will be labeled with as a member of the
"lunatic fringe" or "x-person hater" and most people won't give much
credence to whatever charge you are making.
-- JR
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- To: [email protected]
- Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:49
- Subject: Re: [MOPO] my conversation with bruce, today
- "and i can always buy from him with confidence."
- Well, I can't. When Bruce is unknowledgable about a posters
provenance he
- makes it up. I've seen him do this several times. Of
course, these are
- not "facts" because I have been deemed a "Bruce Hater," which is
complete B.S.
- Whatever.
- G
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