Re: [MOPO] was i duped on ebay??? the paper-backed insert arrived folded

[JR]

You got stiffed on that description. If you still like the insert you can keep it and ask for a price adjustment if you think you paid too much given the actual condition -- or else approach the seller about his failure to completely disclose the condition and see what he say. If he's honest he'll offer a complete refund or possibly suggest a price adjustment.   But, no, a paper-backed item is NEVER supposed to be folded once it has been backed. Only an idiot would do that. Unfortunately, idiots seem to get hold of posters quite often. Same thing for linenbacking -- you would never fold a linen-backed poster (but I've seen it done nonetheless). You have to wonder what some people are thinking...   On the other hand, if the seller is actually the yahoo who folded it in the first place, it may never have occurred to him that he'd done anything wrong or unusual and so didn't think to mention it in his description. Unlikely, but possible.   If you want to keep it and paid a fair amount for it, you should at least ask for an adjustment in the price. Often sellers will do this, rather than have a dissatisfied buyer return the item for a full refund.   Oh, yeah, for future reference the phrase:   "excellent condition for its age"   on some variation on it, is almost always a dead giveaway that the seller is trying to cover his ass for skipping over stuff in the description and that he's afraid if he completely described the condition that he wouldn't get any bids or that the price he would get would be seriously affected.   I usually won't bid on an item with that phrase in the description -- not unless I *really* want it or unless there is an excellent high-resolution photo which lets me see for myself what the condition is. Of course, in this case, a photo probably would not have told you the insert had been folded after it was backed. That's just nuts.   -- JR   ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael B To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 Subject: [MOPO] was i duped on ebay??? the paper-backed insert arrived folded QUESTION:  When a seller advertises that an insert poster has been paper-backed, should he, also, have stated that the poster was folded AFTER it was backed?   doesn't "backing" pre-suppose that it has been made to be flat and remains unfolded from the time of the backing??  what's the point of backing--linen or otherwise--if you are going to fold it?    specifically, i purchased an insert.  the ebay description said it was paper-backed.  i was surprised to see the 3 pronounced folds on the paper-backed poster.  i believe that the folding has caused damage to the fold lines, causing extra loss of paper.   the poster does not lie flat on the table, as any original, untouched or backed poster would.    the exact description stated (and i copied the description directly from the ebay page:  "Paper backed and in fine shape for a poster of this vintage. Some specks of wear on fold lines. No pin/staple holes or repaired tears at all. Bright colors...."   SO, DO YOU AGREE with me that the seller failed to disclose that the poster was FOLDED???  (i have been told already, privately, by one of the most respected MOPOers that i got "stiffed". ----------------------------------------------- For the time being, i will keep the seller's identity secret, but will print below my email to him, followed by his response.   I WROTE:   hi XXXXXXX:  i rec'd XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX early yesterday, and delayed writing so that i could take many looks at the poster and not speak impulsively. i am very disappointed in the paper-backing. i have NEVER EVER, EVER seen a paperbacked (or linenbacked) folded AFTER backing was applied. this causes extra damage to the fold lines. your description stated paper-backing. that was fine. but anyone who deals in posters knows that that implies UNFOLDED. one NEVER folds a "backed" poster. i am sure that is how you got the poster, but that should have been stated in descrip---and I prob would not have bid. i am sure that the extra "specks" were caused by the folding after backing was applied. the back side shows bumps by the folds, caused by the folding. i do not understand some crinkling, which should not appear in a backed poster. (also, suspect, that there was a problem in left border from the top to bttm because of a line that appears.) i await your comments. .......michael   SELLER'S RESPONSE:   Michael Linen or paper backing doesn't mean that the poster has never been folded. If it was rolled, I would have noted it in the description and if you had a question about it, you could have e-mailed me. I will be more than happy to take it back and offer it to the next highest bidder. I'm not getting into any condition feud with you. XXXXXXX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, and i do believe this is a very worthwhile MOPO discussion.   thanks michael     Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.