I agree about Carpenter's THING. It was much closer to
Campbell's work than was Hawk's (or should I say Nyby?
::wink::)Both have their merits. I do prefer Hawk's
version. Loved the dialogue. One could get quite drunk
having a contaest of "you have to chug a shot every
time the word 'coffee' is spoken." (I have to wonder
what the deal with all that coffee was. One of the
wonderful parts of the film.

--- Toochis Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't see the problem with not having KING KONG
> toy with Ann Darrow in the way JR mentions.  Whether
> it was for a  rating or not, I don't think he chose
> he tell that story.  I loved  Jackson's King Kong.
> It worked for me in a different way from the
> original.  The original is fabulous and so is the
> remake.   I'm not a big fan of the one with Lange
> but Jeff Bridges was lovely to  look at in that
> version.
>
>   I loved John Carpenter's THING as well.  I think
> these directors  loved the originals so much and
> wanted to tell their views of the  film.  If they're
> lucky to get the money to make them so be  it.  I
> still love the originals and those particular
> remakes.
>
>   I do appreciate JR's astute comments on King Kong.
>  He certainly knows his stuff.
>
>   I think the studio will recoup the money and it
> will take longer than  planned.  The 3 hour time on
> it doesn't help.  But I couldn't  help but see a
> huge audience be transfixed by King Kong and moved
> by  the film.  I dream to move people that way in my
> work.  Let's  see how the numbers result, but to me
> it's already a big success.   Serkis deserves kudos
> for this role.
>
>   Toochis
>
>   PS - Did everyone have a nice holiday so far?
>
> JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oops... here's something I forgot to include in my
> intial   review...
>
> SIDEBAR:
>
>   For some reason there is a socially significant
> scene missing from Peter   Jackson's version of KING
> KONG. It's an iconic moment which appears in both
> the   1933 original and the 1976 remake,  one that
> everyone who has seen either   of those films always
> remembers. That is the scene where Kong, curious
> about his   new blonde toy and her strange
> trappings, pulls at Ann Darrow's clothing while
> he's clutching her in his paw, ripping off some of
> her dress. This scene was   controversial in 1933,
> with the kind of censor boards they had back then,
> but it   managed to survive even the government
> censors and be included in the original   release of
> KING KONG. When Dino De Laurentis remade KONG in
> 1976, he not only he   created his version of this
> famous scene, but expanded on it with two others --
>  one in which Kong actually curiously pokes and
> strokes Jessica Lange's partially   disrobed body to
> the point where she overcomes her terror long enough
> to shout   at Kong that he is!
>   a "male
>  chauvinist ape!", which was a pretty funny line in
>  1976.  And then there's the scene where Ms. Lange
> has become covered in   mud, so that Kong holds her
> in his paw under a waterfall to wash her off, and
> then blows her dry with a couple of deep breaths.
>
> The "disrobing" scene   is not really critical to
> the plot, but it is memorable, and an integral part
> of   the Kong mythos. That Peter Jackson choose not
> to do this scene at all in his   version is
> disappointing. Does it mean that he felt he couldn't
> do such a scene   these days and keep his PG-13
> rating? If so, what a sad commentary on the
> politically-correct numbness of our modern era --
> that a scene which the censors   in 1933 deemed
> acceptable can't be done in a remake today without
> incurring   financial penalty. Or, perhaps Jackson
> felt that his modern, sensitive,   "nineties kind of
> guy" King Kong simply wouldn't engage in such
> boorish   activity?
>
> Either way, the scene is missed... and there's no
> good reason   for it not to be in there.
>
>   If he's saving it for the extended DVD release,
> Jackson is going to have an   interesting problem,
> since he shows Ann leaving Skull Island with her
> flimsy slip and dressing gown completely intact...
>
>   -- JR
>
>
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