David, what is really your point in wanting to know who is gay or
not....looking for a little excitement? If you ever make it to Fort
Lauderdale, I will be happy to show you my collection!

Evan:

** That's the spirit!  Hell, I'm just being provocative for the sake of it.
I have this serious self-aggrandizing reputation here and I guess it's the
reason people can't tell when I'm fooling around.  But it's true I'm curious
about credibility of certain art to the gay community -- in the same way
people are curious about my reactions to anything remotely Asian.  I still
have people speaking to me in slow hesitant tones at stores, you know,
thinking I just got off the boat.  Don't look "Americanized" enough I guess.
 Then when they find out, "hey, this guy knows how many home runs Babe Ruth
hit!," and they get funny, but not mean.

** For ex., I once had a woman friend ask me about a broken shop window.
She said, "hey, the owner in that shop is Asian, why don't you go up to him
and ask him what happened?"  Completely innocent.  I just laughed and said,
"what if he speaks perfect, unaccented English like me?  What if he was born
in Brooklyn?  What in the sam-hell are you assuming?  Are you saying me
being Asian means he can better relate to my questions about his travails
than if I was white?  I said this in a mocking, Woody Allen tone and she
understood my point.  I was joking but hers was a naturally curious
question.  We're a product of upbringing, and in my case, I grew up with no
religion at all.  It doesn't mean I'm an atheist w/no morals.  It does mean
that I'm not always politically correct.

** Hence I think it's a perfectly GERMANE question to ask people of color or
sexual preference -- whether a film or work of art covering familiar
territory -- works for them on ANY level.  It's a free country, and it
depends upon how one words the question with disarming curiousity as opposed
to flat out misanthropic hate.

** There's no doubt we'll see Brokeback Mountain.  I just don't want to see
overt nastiness on these boards.  It's bad enough talking about politics and
movies.  I know I am one of the worst offenders but I try to be fair.  So I
accept your invitation, Evan -- trust me, there ain't nothing you can show
us that we haven't seen.  Did I tell you my wife and I once owned a designer
label clothing shop?  Yup, right in the middle of Hillcrest, the heart of
the gay community in San Diego.  If you shield yourself from the unknown,
you remain ignorant.  We got to know a lot of great people and the following
is SO stereotyping but you know, at my age, I don't give a s***.  It just
seems to ME (and this is ME only), that MY gay friends are smart, sensitive
and hilarious, above all, caring.  Yeah, that's a generalization, sort of
like how all Asians just HAVE to be good at math.  It ALSO seems to me --
that most transient beggars carrying signs on street corners, "Military Vet
- Will Work for Food" -- are white.  I can honestly say I've never seen a
person of COLOR holding such signs.  Let's make a movie about that.  Now
before you military vets out there come out w/your knives, know that I come
from a military family and fly the flag outside our home.  But let's not get
political.

-koose!

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Subject: Re: Are you gay?
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:31:11 EST

Oh come on David, go see the damn movie and decide for yourself. I am gay
here in Fort Lauderdale, one of the largest gay destinations in the world,
and I take acceptance of a gay lifestyle by the general public for granted
here, yet there are always stories in the news popping up from time to time
of gay bashings here and worldwide. Brokeback Mountain is a film set in
rural bible belt areas and in a time when tolerance for homosexuality was
not what it is today. Yet today, from areas similar to those in the film, we
get modern true life stories like the tragedy of Matthew Shepard.
Intolerance for diversity, taught to us by others which can lead to various
forms of discrimination including self hatred and denial, violence, murder
and suicide, is an all too real subject which society never seems able to
conquer. Without going into detail, this film, as I said in my last post,
clearly reflects a lot of real world issues. This is not a fantasy or a
sexually exploitive film. The implied sex in this film is much tamer then
the majority of heterosexual oriented films I have seen in my life, and I
never stuck a needle in my eye in lieu of watching  those (although I am a
Gemini and have heterosexual tendencies). Also, it is  mind boggling how
many gay men are or have been married and have fathered children only
because they have succumbed to societal pressures. So David, what is really
your point in wanting to know who is gay or not....looking for a little
excitement? If you ever make it to Fort Lauderdale, I will be happy to show
you my collection!  Later, Evan

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