Ron, I really don't know what you're talking about here? I didn't say anything negative about Heritage... in fact I think I said that Grey does a fantastic job of organizing, staging and publicizing them. All I did was just expanded on your tutorial with some additional explanations about the same auction -- after all, it was you who suggested that some members of MOPO might have trouble figuring out how to register and bid with Heritage. I thought this was an admirable thing to do... and so I decided bring up and clarify some other things about Heritage that might also cause these same MOPO members some confusion, such as the buyer's premium (but I botched that... it's so confusing...) and explaining how the internet auctions don't really "end" -- they continue on the live floor the next day.
I was just trying explain some of the things that you didn't put in your helpful tutorial. It was you who called this subject thread a "tutorial", wasn't it? So, now I'm confused. Why do you seem upset with me for adding some additional explanations to your tutorial? I even quoted directly from Heritage's web site to make sure I had the details right. I mean, it seems to me that if some members of MOPO were having trouble figuring out something as simple as how to register with Heritage and bid on the items then, surely, those same poor bewildered souls would need further tutoring on more difficult concepts like buyer's premiums and how winning online doesn't necessarily really mean you've won. You asked me " Are you seriously going to sit there and accuse the rest of the people in the hobby of being so feeble minded that they can't take the buyers premium into account?" No, I would never suggest that. But it seems to me that you seriously suggested that some MOPO members are so feeble minded that they needed a tutorial in order to figure out how to register with Heritage. Buyer's premiums are more complex than filling out a form on the Heritage website (at least to someone as feeble-minded as myself). And that idea of winning online, but not really winning... now, there's a real brain twister for you... I trust that when Bruce holds his next registered-bidders only auction that we can count on another helpful tutorial from you on how to register and bid on those? -- JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 17:16 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage tutorial for Auction > Um, Gee... JR... since MoPo is supposed to be informative and helpful to other members, I thought I might be able to help a few of them out who want to bid with Heritage and who want to get registered. That was the entire intent of my post. I was waiting for your response. It seems that everytime somone says anything positive about Heritage you are the first one to jump in and have something negative to say. That bitterness about Heritage is going to eat you up. I was thinking about adding a line to my post after my first paragraph with something like... (Okay, JR, you can quit reading now because you'll just be upset that someone is trying to assist other members who want to participate in the sale). > > You apparently have a massive problem with buyers premiums at auction houses. I have to say that at auction houses (not online sites alone) they all charge buyers premiums, (And the 15% Heritage charges is rather cheap compared to other auction houses where it is frequently 17.5% up to 22%). It is a necessary part of doing business where the auction house is able to cover the overhead of conducting the live auctions. If you don't like it, that's okay. You don't have to bid with them. Nothing is being hidden, nothing is being charged that isn't clearly spelled out in the terms and conditions of the sale. And (dare I say it???) there's nothing wrong with that!!! And by the way, JR- it is 15% not the 20% you calculated by the example you gave in your post. I think most of the people out there can calculate 15% - well, all but one I know of. At any rate, just adjust you bid accordingly and take into account the buyer's premium. > > Does that make online sites that don't charge a buyers premium any better? Are you seriously implying that? Are you seriously going to sit there and accuse the rest of the people in the hobby of being so feeble minded that they can't take the buyers premium into account? An ebay bid of $230 is the same thing as a Heritage bid of $200. It's still $230. You really need to get over it. > > As for the rest of your post, thanks for adding to the tutorial about how online bidding ends and then the floor bidding commences the following day with the live event. That was, I'm sure, very helpful to the other MoPo members who haven't participated before. > > Ron Moore > Cinema Icons > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Um, Gee... Ron... since we're being so helpful to confused and uncertain > > member of MOPO who might not understand how to register and bid on Heritage's > > auctions, perhaps someone should also explain to them that Heritage charges > > something called a " 15% buyer's premium" -- which means that if they bid and > > win an item for $200, that it will actually cost them $240 -- plus Heritage's > > traditionally very high shipping costs? I mean, just make sure they're not > > confused? > > > > Oh, yes, perhaps it would also help clarify thing to explain to them that this > > auction is not like other online auctions, because after the online bidding > > "ends" the bidding continues for another day live on the floor at the Dallas > > auction house. As explained in Heritage's own words: > > > > "The floor auction is being held in Dallas, TX on March 17-18, 2006. Online > > bidding ends at 10:00PM CT the night before the floor session for this lot. > > Your secret maximum online bid will compete for you during the floor auction, > > and it is possible that you may be outbid on the floor after internet bidding > > closes." > > > > I think if someone explained all of this to them, it would clear up any > > confusion they might have. > > > > -- JR > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:35 > > Subject: [MOPO] Heritage tutorial for Auction > > > > > > > Hello All! > > > > > > I was speaking with a fellow member of MoPo the other day and although he > > was aware of the upcoming auction at Heritage, he was not aware of the process > > he needed to go through to bid with them. He thought it might be a lot of > > trouble, but I assured him that it was actually quite easy. It occured to me > > that there might be some other members who would like to bid as well but were > > unfamiliar or possibly even a little intimidated about the process of getting > > registered. > > > > > > So, for those who would like a brief tutorial- here it is. > > > > > > If one goes to their home page http://movieposters.heritageauctions.com you > > will see their "Vintage Movie Posters" banner at the top of the page. just > > above the image of the King Kong one sheet is a "Join Now" icon. Click on that > > and follow the instructions to get resigistered for the sale. > > > > > > Once you've registered you can see all of the items in the auction by > > finding the image of the catalog for their upcoming sale (2006 March Rare > > Movie Poster Auction #633). Under the dates of the sale (March 17-18) it says > > "browse"- click on that and it will let you see all of the genres/ catagories > > in the sale. Click on "All Items" to see everything or go to your favorite > > type of poster. > > > > > > Once you see a lot you're interested in, click on it and not only will you > > get a great and very thorough description of the item, but you'll also get a > > fantastic, unenhanced, hi-res digital shot of the item. At the beginning of > > the lot description you will see where you can place your bid. As soon as you > > enter your bid, just follow the directions to verify your bid and you're done! > > > > > > Pretty easy! However, if any of this didn't make sense, just contact me > > here in Colorado and I'll try to help out. OR, just go right to the source. > > Grey's a great guy, easy to talk to and I know he'll get you registered > > instantly. You can reach him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > They've also added a great feature to their bidding "Banner" where you can > > click to sign up for phone bidding! That should be particularly useful as > > I've had many people ask me over the years how they can go about getting to > > bid by phone. Heritage has now made that option super-easy and I have to say > > that it's also a great way to bid. When I can't attend an auction in person, > > this has always been my preferred method of bidding. > > > > > > You should check out the sale. There are (as usual) some fantastic items. > > > > > > Ron Moore > > > Cinema Icons > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > > > Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
