I would be curious to hear ebay's reasoning for handling this matter
in this particular way.
Kirby
On Jun 7, 2006, at 10:52 AM, David Kuspa wrote:
I understand their explanation of how my bid jumped 5 more times, I
just find it unacceptable that the competing bidder is never shown,
like in a regular ebay auction bid history. IMO, this looks worse
than shill bidding because you never even see the competing bidder
at all. It goes against the standard of transparency and trust that
eBay usually provides with its auction format.
-_David
on 6/7/06 8:20 AM, Evan Zweifel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This actually makes sense, given the precedence rules (except the
part where they don't record the bidder (which is unacceptable)).
Suppose the bid is at 100 (yours) and you and bid up to 200
(proxy), and the other person (me) bids 200. If eBay gives me the
bid, then I win the poster, instead, it give you the bid at 200.
The history looks like 100 (you) 200 (you) -- you out bid
yourself! The history should probably look like 100 (you), 200
(you over me).
This just happend 4 times in your example.
Evan.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: David Kuspa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I was puzzled by the bid history on an eBay Live auction item I
won because
> it appeared that I had bid against myself at the end, raising the
bid 5
> times from the last opposing bidder. There was no reserve. The
seller did
> not have an explanation, asking if I had bid against myself
during the
> auction (I hadn't--I had placed an absentee bid and was out of
town). Here's
> the bid history:
>
> $450 (myself)
> $425 (myself)
> $400 (myself)
> $375 (myself)
> $350 (myself)
> $325 LiveAuctionFloorBidder
> $300 LiveAuctionFloorBidder
> $275* ebayer #2
> $275 LiveAuctionFloorBidder
> $250 LiveAuctionFloorBidder
> $225 (myself)
> $200 LiveAuctionFloorBidder > $ 100 ebayer#1
>
> To me, it appeared that after the last floor bidder topped out, I
continued
> to bid against myself, raising the price another $100. In a
normal eBay
> auction, there would be an entry before my last bid clearly
showing another
> ebayer had bid against me. If they tried to top my bid several
times, there
> would be multiple entries for this opposing ebayer. Apparently, I
WAS
> bidding against someone at the end, but there's no record of that
opposing
> bidder in the bid history. I contacted eBay Live support, and
here's what
> they said:
>
> "It may seem that the eBay system is allowing you to bid against
yourself;
> however, that is not the case. What is actually happening is another
> Internet bidder, participating live, is trying to outbid you. We
designed
> the eBay Live Auctions bidding system to give absentee bids
preference over
> live bids. Every ! time th is live bidder tried to place a bid,
we entered in a
> bid for you instead. That's why you see a series of bids entered
in a row
> from your User ID. Since we aren't actually submitting a bid for
the live
> bidder, we aren't entering his User ID into the bid history. Had
there not
> been a live Internet bidder, eBay would have had no reason to
increase your
> bid amount."
>
> I don't get this at all. Why wouldn't eBay simply insert the
eBayer IDs for
> competing bids in a Live Auction? I checked dozens of other eBay
Live
> auction bid histories and couldn't find a single one that had a
similar
> pattern. Every one clearly showed competing bids right up to the
end,
> whether from floor bidders or other ebayers.
>
> -_David
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