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A well documented effort to set the record straight and your are
quite right -- we do have a long-standing "preferred option" on MOPO
for people who want to bash at each other to "take it outside" and continue in
private a thread which started in public. It is not always observed, but it is
certainly a well-established part of "normal" activity on this list and
Jeannie's claim that you somehow fraudulently usurped her private email address
from this list and illegally used it to send her unlawful emails is simply
bogus.
Personally, I was surprised at the vehemence
of your messages to her, but you were provoked and she did
fire first -- and so if you chose to escalate you did have that right
-- and at least you did use the "preferred option" of this group and
made your angry comments privately instead of inflicting them on the
entire membership. All through the ensuing discussion Jeannie has been acting as
if she did nothing to provoke your messages... that she was just sitting around
like Little Miss Muffet on her tuffet, minding her own business and innocent
as a lamb and then suddenly mean old Claude just jumped out of the
bushes and started sending her nasty emails for no reason at all, oh my...
Unfortunately several people seem to have fallen for her act and rushed to
protect the damsel in distress by proclaiming her act of posting your private
emails in public as some kind of brave and heroic effort to "out" the deadly
MOPO stalker...
...yeah, right... all of which may have made for some juicy
melodrama on a drowsy summer's week on MOPO, I suppose... but was
hardly worth all the verbiage and bad feelings it has generated.
It is worth noting that this series of unfortunate events started off as a
completely valid ON-TOPIC thread about movie posters which rapidly drifted
off-topic because some people felt the need to throw in unnecessary personal
cracks along with their otherwise valid commentary on the topic.
Rudeness begets rudeness, folks. I think Claude was simply
demonstrating that escalation can happen -- and if you want to start that
particular mud ball rolling down the hillside, then you really
can't complain if you cause an avalanche.
This group used to be pretty civil in the way we talked to each other, even
when we strongly disagreed. I know it's been a long, hot summer... but how
about we all get back to where we once belonged?
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
From: Claude Litton
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 14:56
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The MoPo Playground and an
explanation Phil
Since you find my actions strange and disturbing I will explain it
to you and the group.
The group has totally lost sight of what triggered this whole
thread and Jeannie would not have received the private emails had she not
insulted me publically on MoPo. I do not desire to engage in nasty emails
on MoPo and when someone insults me I prefer to reply privately. No matter
how eloquent or convincing a person sounds the bottom line is that my response
was a result of insults being fired at me on Mopo and I remained silent
publically because the rules are that there shall be no personal
attacks.
There was a discussion going on about Rixposterz listings on ebay
which deliberately omitted the fact that they were not USA posters. JR and
I had made comments about these his listings and Phil chose to
comment. However, he also chose to make a derogatory comment about
me. Phil had stated his opinion about these types of
listings and there was no need for the personal attack which belittled and
insulted me. I chose a return comment without going
overboard, since Scott Burns has a rule against personal attacks.
Jeannie then chose to send an email to the group with further
negative sarcastic comments directed at me. This is not the first time she
has tried to get me into a nasty debate. At no time in any previous
emails, later emails or that particular email did she make
a comment about the discussion concerning poster listings. All she
did was slam me.
A number of years ago there were many personal attacks on MoPo and
Scott Burns enacted strict rules concerning personal attacks. I have been
a member of MoPo for close to 10 years, and enjoy it because it is a
diversion from my business life. I am not about to engage in an open
conflict with any members in violation of MoPo rules. On the other hand,
when I am insulted and personally attacked, I see no problem in sending a
Private Email to that person, explaining my feelings in the words I choose
necessary to put my point across.
Phil made a derogatory statement about me which began this
situation. He is correct in stating I know nothing about him. I
rebutted what he said with public words of my own and considered it publicly
over. Phil did not make any further public comments which was the right
thing to do. I do not mind debates, as this is what I have been trained to
do, and enjoy them. However, personal insults do not belong there, and I
will not allow them to pass. At the same time, whether you agreed with him
or not, Phil wrote an interesting email concering the Rixposterz situation and
was taking part in the discussion.
Shortly after my rebuttal to Phil's insult, Jeannie joined in with
further insults without commenting about the discussion going on. I chose
not to have open warfare and deliberately insulted her in a private email.
There is a rule on MoPo against a personal attack. There is no rule
on the internet against a private personal attack. I allowed her to insult
me in an open forum with private retaliation because I chose not to
continue a thread which was against MoPo rules. However, I chose to let
her know how I felt about her insulting me.
She then chose to make my email public. I again remained
silent because I was not going to let her drag me into a nasty back and forth
situation on MoPo. However, I read all the pertinent comments on MoPo
concerning movie posters and all the time that she has been a member, I do not
remember her ever making a statement about movie posters. Since she chose
to make my email public, I sent a second harsh private email. I again did
this to avoid public confrontations and abide by ebay rules.
She obviously does not like me and has been attempting to provoke
me into a public fight which I choose not to participate in. I see nothing
wrong in emailing my displeasure to the person directly in a private
email. If the person does not like my emails they can very easily tell me
in a return email to stop sending them emails and/or block my emails. I
only sent two emails and each was a private nasty reply to a prior public
insult. There was not a series of emails and there will be no more if she
stops saying things about me. I only sent retaliatory emails and I am not
a stalker. I did not initiate the insults, nor did I return insults in a
public forum. The private emails which were in retaliation were made
public by the initial offender.
Sending an email privately in reply a public comment and never
sending more than one private comment in retaliation is not stalking. In
addition, Jeannie said she would forward any private emails to MoPo and she said
this on MoPo. At no time did she tell me not to email
her.
I received quite a number of private emails commending me on my
retaliation and there were no private emails that were
derogatory. Receiving and sending private emails has been a very common
occurrence during my MoPo years and they are used for many things such as
private poster dealings. However, they are also used to make private
comments without getting the group involved and if two people can duke it out
privately, isn't that a lot better than involving the group in a disagreement
between two people?
I express my opinion about posters and other matters of substance
involving movie posters. I have no problems with others who disagree with
me and publish their opinions. However, when someone posts a differing
opinion from mine and ends it with "Claude, grow up" then that person
deserves a reply equal to his insult. The same goes for others doing the
same thing.
At no time did I write anything nasty first. Every single
email I wrote was in retaliation to an attack on me. I hope this
clarifies the situation and maybe we can get some movie poster comments in lieu
of personal attacks.
CJL
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