Claude..
you are entirely mistaken when you say I flamed you. I have not
flamed you or anyone else.. I made an comment that your attack on
Jeannie was unwarrented and yes I did go back & read all of the
emails in the entire string and I couldn't anything except a slight
peck at you from Jeannie. Unfortunately yesterday I had a minor crash
to my system while I was checking MoPo email & lost my entire
archive, so I cannot pull the quote from there anymore.
I also did not call you a hypocrite. I said "I was actually very
surprised that many did not see the hypocrisy of coddling Claude for
being "outed" on MoPo, while attacking Jeannie for outing an
unsolicited off-list email of Claude attacking her". This is clearly
not saying you are a hypocrite, but that there is a sense of
hypocrisy in defending you against jeannie in this particular situation.
Now you say "There is no rule on MoPo for emails off of MoPo" . Well
guess what Claude.. there is no rule that says Jeannie cannot out
your private & unsolicited email either, and your indignance that she
did shouldn't have had any discussion either.
Also, your tone in your email is exactly what is wrong about when you
write your emails.. I did not attack you, I said "Claude was wrong in
flaming her, which is my opinion as an observer". I made no attack, I
commented.... But your response is to attack.. Claude, get a hold of
yourself and act like an adult, not like an adolescent being told by
his high school enemy that his mama wears army boots.
This is how I see it Claude.. what's good for the goose is good for
the gander and seeing as I had literally no contact with Jeannie
prior to posting a comment in her defense 2 weeks ago. Keeping in
mind Claude, you and I have had not much contact either though I
think I did sell you one or two things in the past, and seeing as I
can't think of anything you have done which angered me, then I'm
obviously not commenting as her friend - nor as your enemy, but as
someone who sees something wrong going on that is unfair to one
party, and in this case it was Jeannie.
Another quote in your email Claude "What I find most ludicrous of all
your words concerns your statement about when someone wants to write
something useful to the group they should not be flamed"
Claude of course they should not be flamed for writing something
useful. But that does not hamstring a thoughful, intelligent comment
or response from anyone and therin lay the rub - I haven't seen you
talking like a gentleman which I think is beneath you. Stop flaming
people and talk like a reasonable, intelligent human being. There is
no need to resort to gutter sniping which is unfortunately how you
responded to Phil, Jeannie and now myself, especially in your inuendo
about a conversation you had with Dave K. and no there is no rule
regarding your speech and even if your speech is not to my liking, I
would still fight for your right to speak what you want, because that
is how the world is supposed to be. Although I doubt from your emails
that you would fight for the same thing
Rich=====================
At 06:34 PM 9/4/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richie
I am only writing one email on this subject and I feel I have a
right as I am being flamed and blamed by you for something I did not
start nor end.
There is no rule on MoPo for emails off of MoPo. There cannot be
such a rule because it is not on MoPo. Your theory is so wrong it
is laughable. Scott Burns cannot make rules outside of
MoPo. Emails that occur between parties outside of MoPo are private
and have nothing to do with MoPo. Are you going to tell the group
that I cannot discuss a MoPo subject on my telephone, at a poster
show, at an auction or anywhere else? Your reasoning reeks of total
nonsense and I am being polite with my words. Don't they discuss
MoPo on other discussion groups? Can Scott Burns dictate to them
about not discussing a MoPo topic? The bottom line is--------on
MoPo, Scott Burns rules because it is his. He cannot dictate rules
outside of MoPo regardless of where the situation originated. You
are repeating the words of a person who rationalizes everything
towards meeting her goals.
You began by saying I started it. Are you crazy? Do you read all
the emails in sequence or just pick and choose the ones you
like? Or do you read at random? Let me refresh or explain the
sequence to you.
1. JR and I were discussing rixposterz listings.
2. Phil made a comment refuting JR's and my comments and then ended
his email with an insult to me.
3. I answered his insult on MoPo
(Up to now all words were on topic except the insult)
4. Jeannie now entered with an insulting remark directed at me
5. Since I did not want to get involved in a war on MoPo and since
she has tried to get me to engage in such a situation before, I
replied privately. I did not air it publicly and I have every right
to do this. If I did anything wrong then it is her right to take
action privately. She did not have a right to make a private email
public and Scott Burns said so. (Just to let you know, she tried to
get me into a debate on another talk group and I told her that I do
not have the time like she does. She emailed me back in a very
sarcastic manner)
6. In repy to her taking the email public, I again replied
privately. she took it public again and stated she would continue
to do so in total defiance of Scott Burn's rules.
She insulted me publicly and that is the only thing that counts. I
did not attack anyone publicly and the fact that she made a private
email public is not my fault and not a violation of MoPo rules by
me. In fact, I just had a conversation about your email with
another MoPo member and the conversation has words about you that
cannot be printed by David K in his professional writings. Since
both of us uttered words concerning this topic which originated on
MoPo, I ask you. Should we be suspended from MoPo for a personal
attack on you in a private conversation? What if I wrote about your
inane reasoning to Bruce and he published it in his email
club? Would it be a violation of MoPo rules if (and I say if) I
wrote that you were a ---- and Bruce published it? Come on now and
get with it.
You wrote "without a doubt" that I was wrong. I will not publish a
private email. I can only tell you that you are the only one
without a doubt. I can very easily print all the private emails I
received from MoPo members agreeing with me, applauding what I said
privately and dissing "you know who". I also did not receive a
single private email telling me I was wrong or agreeing with your
"without a doubt" words.
There is also another thing you should do. Go to NSFGE and read
what is going on there. I was emailed (by a MoPo member) pages and
pages of her "discussions" with members there. She attacked our
David Lieberman and they call her The Kautix From Hell. She does
nothing but fight with others there.
You finally end your email with "do unto others as they do unto
you". You call me a hypocrite in the same email while quoting a
righteous way of living. Please explain to me how I can be insulted
publicly and that retorting privately is the same thing. Better
yet, explain it to the other members of MoPo.
What I find most ludicrous of all your words concerns your statement
about when someone wants to write something useful to the group they
should not be flamed. I believe I was writing something useful to
the group when I wrote about being truthful in ebay listings. I was
insulted by a person who has never written a useful thing on MoPo
and you can verify that by checking all her past emails. I
reiterated in a private email and you have the nerve to tell me I
can't do that. Show me where the rules of MoPo follow anyone beyond
the borders of the site. Did you ever read the First Amendment?
The only thing you said that was worth anything were your final
words -- "that's my two cents". You are correct because that's all
they are worth. Here are my final words to you-- that's my million
dollars - and I am worth much more than that.
Claude Litton
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