PJ,
I'm writing you about this privately because I want to let you know I
appreciate you coming in this late in the game when the mood on the list has
so obviously shifted against what I was trying to do (not fight with Susan and
ask her to behave in a civilized way).
I mean, just for fun, humor me and take a close look at what
Scott really said and did with his official "Friendly Reminder". I
quote:
"Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. This
includes
name-calling, innuendo, insults or gossip.
(calling someone
a "hooked trout" or asking someone to "sheath their claws"
fall into the
personal attack category)"
Please note that he deliberately *edited* Susan's original phrase, which
was to call me "a FUCKING hooked trout." Now, Scott is a smart guy. This no
accident. He consciously neutered her comment to make it sound far
less offense than it really was. In addition, please note that out of all the
text in my original message to Susan, he picked the single "worst-sounding"
phrase and quoted that -- but he edited that as well. Immediately
after my suggestion to "sheath your claws" I wrote the word "Peace" in my
original message. Scott deliberately left that word out of his
official message to make my comment look worse than it was.
That's deceptive manipulation of public opinion on a scale that
Donnie Sullivan never even dreamed of!
But even if grant this manipulation, why did nobody ask "Scott, how
come calling someone a fucking hooked trout is the same thing as
suggesting that someone sheath their claws? Isn't one a personal insult and
the other a suggestion on how to behave in civilized company?"
Do you see my problem here? Scott has just elevated himself to a level of
moderator duplicity that puts him *above* Donnie Sullivan as far as I'm
concerned.
And he did it because he sensed that all the touchy-feely Susan fans
would revolt if he booted her off for violating the rules. He did it for the
same reason Donnie Sullivan stabbed me in the back and booted me off Style B
-- to keep his numbers up and pacify the vocal Susan Brigade.
So let's not kid ourselves... she got away with it, um, scot free. Susan
and the Style Bees are now in the conscious process of converting MOPO into
their own image, and Scott is cooperating with it... encouraging
it.
I wish those who try stand against this trend good luck, but I've already
committed hari-kari on MOPO over this. Consider me one toasty, immolated monk
as far as MOPO is concerned. After what I've said the last couple days I'll
never have any credibility on that list again.
Obviously, I did make a terrible mistake. I kept silent when Susan
first attacked me -- I should have defended myself the very first day,
but I didn't think a flame war would be good for the list, so I didn't.
So Susan "won" the moment Scott posted his "Friendly Reminder" and
blamed me as much as her for the "flame-a-thon" -- even though I had said
nothing in reply to her 5 flame messages -- because the rest of the list
bought his prouncement simply because he's the Moderator. So now I end up
looking like the asshole who is trying to keep the debate going simply because
I waited for him to enforce his rules -- and so I was forced to
belatedly defend myself at the end of the sequence, when everyone just wants
it to be over. But I had to refute her lies, PJ -- you and some others
knew they were lies, but there are a lot of new people on MOPO who had no
way of knowing she was lying.
But seriously, Dude, it's too late for... save yourself! You
guys go on without me... I'm done for!
aahggg...hhh (cue death-rattle sound effects...)
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 14:27
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Best Poster Fiend? publicly asking JR to calm
down
Frankly, I really enjoy talking or engaging in
friendly debate with you, but it's time to let this go. Susan shouldn't be in
some sort of "cooler" and you shouldn't be reading archives instead of
e-mails. You've only hurt yourselves with these unnecessary
"punishments."
I don't see a long lasting olive branch between
the two of you. But I do see two people that know a lot about movies and
posters and I want both to post and to make others feel welcome. Is that too
much to wish for? Ron
I hope you read that JR. His name isn't
Wis(e)berg for nothing.
Have you had time to calm down and realized why EXACTLY there were no
sides taken publically here between you and Susan? By the time I had my retort
ready to fly Scott came out and quelled any notion of the flame expanding
anymore than it had. Scott said that matters were handled privately
and to "move on", as I think he stated it. I deleted my "contribution" to
the skirmish after that and elected to see what would happen. I didn't think
you'd get all freaky and serious-like threaten to leave the group!
Pretty wise guy, that Moderator of ours. He wasn't going to allow Mo Po
to relive another "low point of Mo Po's existence" as he himself
tagged it a few years ago. Can anyone blame him? Back then I bet his
finger was "on the button" to end the MoPo forum once and for all. It was
MoPo's Bay of Pigs.
Had Scott not stepped in when he did I'm sure there would of been dozens
of public Pro-JR posts of "Gather pitchforks and torches, Mopers!
STORM! STORM THE OLSENSTEIN CASTLE!! KILL THE SHE-BEAST!" with
dozens of equally passionate "Susan For President! JR SHOULD BE
NEUTERED! SLOWLY!" retorts from the other side. Back and forth. Back
and Forth. Until what? We all turned to butter, perhaps?
It would have been entertaining as hell, but got us, as a group, no
where.
So. Susan is back on MoPo. Let's deal with it. Welcome her with open
arms. Hurricane Susan, whose sustained winds and storm surge could flatten
Miami. Prepare for it. Read the warning flags, stock up, and be prepared
to evacuate. Those are the steps you take. You don't leave the country,
dude.
Susan is right at home at Style B and NS4GE, especially when she's with
the other "wimmin'" over there. Things can be pretty entertaining (and nasty),
for sure. Over there Susan is like watching DEADWOOD with six-pack and a
few rowdy friends. But when she starts dropping F Bombs on MoPo it
doesn't seem right. It's like watching DEADWOOD with your Mother and Dad in
the room. There are some things you just dont say with parents around. For
instance, "Hey C**ksu**er, Pass the F***ing
chips!" would qualify as something one would not say with
a parents in the room, but something that could accidently slip out while
watching DEADWOOD.
Susan can make Al Swearengen blush. If she wants to. She's our
Calamity Jane. That's a compliment, btw. A Point of Pride for her and
for us. And it appears she's trying hard to "be at home" and playing
nice-nice on MoPo, too. I like that.
I'm surprised you haven't recognized the BEST POSTER FIND thread for what
it is: a positive step forward. I'll say that again, this time in
bold with italics, and underlined:
a positive step forward. As ON TOPIC as
MoPo can get. It's why MoPo was invented, for these types of involving threads
between poster collectors. It's an attempt to move on, and QUICKLY, to better
things. And it's working. Who ever started it was/is genius.
So, JR. What do you say? Co-exist with all of
us. You make MoPo a better place.
Disregard those flippant lurkers who have never, and will never,
contribute to MoPo and this hobby like you have.
Man, you're the guy who created and made MPB WORK, for crying out loud!
We all owe you for that. Go read Rich's latest post in your behalf. It was
great. It embarassed somebody, for sure.
You're The Poster Curmudgeon, you know.
So, JR. What do you say? Tell us all about your BEST
POSTER FIND.
pj
Ron Wisberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was really enjoying the Best Poster Find messages, noticed Susan
posted with something very positive, and then saw JR in my in box.
For a second my heart thought, wow, maybe the two really can live in
peace. WRONG. JR hijacked one of the most positive threads I've seen in
months and attempted to take it back to his own personal agenda.
SO WHAT THAT SCOTT DIDN'T HANDLE THINGS WITH THE JR SEAL OF
APPROVAL!
Sorry JR, Susan Olsen seems very willing to let it go and talk about
posters, can't you? I would rather talk about posters than I would whatever
BADblood exists between you two. Let's drop who pounced first, let's forget
public or private insults, let's get on with it. Are we keeping score as to
who posted more negatives in 24-hours? Sorry, I stopped trying to keep score
in life some time age.
Frankly, I really enjoy talking or engaging in friendly debate with
you, but it's time to let this go. Susan shouldn't be in some sort of
"cooler" and you shouldn't be reading archives instead of e-mails. You've
only hurt yourselves with these unneccesary "punishments."
I don't see a long lasting olive branch between the two of you. But I
do see two people that know a lot about movies and posters and I want both
to post and to make others feel welcome. Is that too much to wish for?
Ron
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