This is telling the efforts one company has gone through to  halt 
counterfeits.   I think the minty whites  haven't a chance  in hell.
 
Tiffany and eBay in Fight Over Fakes  
By _KATIE  HAFNER_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/katie_hafner/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 
 
SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 26 — For years, _eBay_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/ebay_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org)
   has defined itself 
simply as an online marketplace that links buyers and  sellers.  
But in a weeklong bench trial in Federal District Court in Manhattan that  
ended last Tuesday, lawyers for _Tiffany  & Company_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/mem/MWredirect.html?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companypr
ofile.asp&symb=TIF)  argued that the online auction house was far more than 
that:  it is a distribution network that enables the trading of counterfeit 
Tiffany  items.  
If Tiffany wins its case, not only could other lawsuits follow, but eBay’s  
business model could be threatened because it would be difficult and extremely  
expensive for the company, based in San Jose, Calif., to police a site that 
now  has 248 million registered users worldwide and approximately 102 million 
items  for sale at any one time.  
Tiffany has requested injunctive relief that would require eBay to alter its  
procedures to eliminate counterfeit silver Tiffany merchandise from its  
auctions. Judge Richard Sullivan instructed both sides to file post-trial 
briefs  
by Dec. 7.  
“I will hopefully turn this around quite quickly after that,” he told the  
lawyers.  
Hani Durzy, an eBay spokesman, said eBay was not responsible for determining  
whether each product sold on the site was fake. 
“As a marketplace, we never take possession of any of the goods sold on the  
site, so it would be impossible for us to solely determine the authenticity of 
 an item,” Mr. Durzy said. “And we go above and beyond what the law requires 
us  to do to keep counterfeits off the site.” 
But in his closing argument last Tuesday, James B. Swire, the lawyer for  
Tiffany, told Judge Sullivan that eBay directly advertised the sale of Tiffany  
jewelry on its home page, and “because eBay profits from the sales generated by 
 these and other actions,” Tiffany considers its actions direct copyright  
infringement. 
Mr. Swire added that “there’s certainly much in the record to show that eBay 
 is liable for contributory infringement.” 
Bruce Rich, eBay’s lawyer, told the court the company had fulfilled its  
obligation to prevent the sale of counterfeit goods. In his closing argument, 
he  
said the law places the primary policing responsibility on the trademark 
owner,  Tiffany, because Tiffany has the necessary expertise to identify 
counterfeits of  its products. 
Of course, fakes are sold everywhere, as anyone trying to dodge the street  
vendors selling fake designer handbags in Times Square can attest. But the  
anonymity and reach of the Internet makes it perfect for selling knockoffs. And 
 
as the biggest online marketplace, eBay is the center of a new universe of  
counterfeit products.  
“The fact that eBay has chosen to set up its business in a manner that makes  
it extremely difficult for it to monitor the merchandise that is sold at its  
auctions is not a defense,” said Geoffrey Potter, chairman of the  
anticounterfeiting practice at Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel, a New York  law 
firm.  
Mr. Potter said that if the judge found that eBay had the same duty as flea  
markets and traditional retail stores to not sell counterfeit products, “eBay  
will likely have to either stop auctioning famous luxury products or 
radically  alter the way it does business so that it can precertify the 
authenticity 
of  those products.”  
“One way that eBay could do this would be to require proof that Tiffany had  
been paid for the items, before eBay permits an auction of multiple, identical 
 alleged Tiffany products,” Mr. Potter said. 
Mr. Potter said eBay did manage to keep other illegal items — human organs,  
firearms, and child pornography — off the site. “The truth of the matter is 
that  if eBay wanted to keep counterfeit Tiffany goods off, it probably could,” 
he  said. 
When Tiffany filed its suit against eBay in 2004, it said that Tiffany  
employees had trolled eBay to find fake Tiffany silver jewelry and concluded  
that 
73 percent of 186 pieces they purchased on eBay were counterfeit. 
In its original complaint, Tiffany maintained that anyone selling five or  
more pieces of jewelry said to be Tiffany’s at a discount “is almost certainly  
selling counterfeit Tiffany goods.” Other makers of luxury goods have 
complained  that sales of counterfeit items are hurting their businesses.  
“Louis Vuitton believes that people avoid buying their signature bags because 
 of all the fake ones out there,” Mr. Potter said.  
In his opening statement last week, Mr. Swire, Tiffany’s lawyer, said that in 
 2003 Tiffany put eBay on notice about the counterfeit items and requested 
that  the company investigate. Yet “eBay simply turned a blind eye,” Mr. Swire 
said.  
Last Tuesday, Judge Sullivan questioned Michael J. Kowalski, Tiffany’s  
chairman and chief executive, about the measures Tiffany has taken to track 
down  
and prosecute the counterfeiters.  
Mr. Kowalski said it had been difficult — and often fruitless — to pursue  
sellers who list counterfeits on eBay, as they frequently change identity. 
“We simply felt that we were chasing ourselves,” he said, and “chasing  
phantom sites that would be taken down one day and pop up another day, and so 
we  
were in a vicious circle.” 
In the end, Mr. Kowalski said, “The heart of the issue was the distribution  
network,” referring to eBay. 
Mr. Durzy said that eBay had put in place additional anticounterfeiting  
measures since Tiffany filed its suit. These include closer monitoring of  
categories chosen most often by counterfeiters, like expensive jewelry and  
handbags, 
as well as PayPal verification requirements, selective restrictions on  sales 
volume and limits on cross-border sales. 
“We’re very pleased with the way the trial went,” Mr. Durzy said.  
After each side presented closing arguments, the judge noted what he called  “
a fundamental disagreement with respect to what the law is here.”  
Although Judge Sullivan gave little indication of how he might rule, he  
pointed to legal precedents that have found that if a manufacturer or  
distributor 
continues to supply a product knowing it is engaging in trademark  
infringement, that manufacturer or distributor is “contributorily responsible”  
for any 
harm done as a result of the  deceit.

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