hi james,
you have some valid points about using modern techniques and paint, to touch up
colors, etc; if it is over 50% of the poster, i would say that is a recreation
too, especially if original painting (and not touch up) has to be done. if the
majority of the poster is repainted and the original artwork is covered over
with a layer of paint, then the poster's true originality and history have been
buried beneath that paint. it's history and life should be evident and seen,
IMO.
i found these before and afters.. are these considered to be restored?
re-created? some of both?
best.
jeff
--- On Mon, 9/7/09, James Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
From: James Richard <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] assessing fading
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 12:28 AM
Todd,
Hmmm... well...OK, then... in that specific case, use of a *small*
amount of translucent paint to bring up a small faded area to match the
rest of the poster might be considered acceptable "restoration"... but
it would have to be a very small area, about 10% or less of the image
area for me to feel comfortable about it. It's just that usually when a
poster is faded it is faded all over -- from sun exposure or having
been displayed under bright incandescent light for too long. Bringing
up the color level across an entire poster... or even 50% or more of
the image area... is just going too far for a "restoration". At that
point you're doing a recreation and actually slipping into forgery.
i.e., you're engaging in deception, using technology not available at
the date of the poster's issue to artificially make the poster appear
to be in better condition than it actually is. You are taking it too
far from "original state". You are, in fact, *over-painting* the
original poster with new artwork. And even if this over-painting is
revealed at the time of the original sale, it is certain that it will
not be divulged (or even known) in future sales of the same poster.
I know it's a fine line between restoration and recreation/forgery --
but the line is there and this hobby-industry better get busy defining
some agreed-upon standards which define both sides of that line.
Otherwise it will continue to be anything goes, which means more fakes,
semi-fakes, and half-fakes entering the market for $10,000...
$20,000... $30,000 and more.
If the restoration industry does not police itself and lead the way in
establishing these hobby-wide standards, they will be the ones who
suffer when Bruce's prediction materializes about a widespread backlash
where buyers will only be interested in unrestored, untouched material.
It has happened in other fields of collecting and it can happen here.
The restorers and backers need get together, form a club or guild or
whatever and set some standards and start publicizing them..
-- JR
Todd Feiertag wrote:
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JR,
You misunderstood my post about the FREAKS poster. I never said the
FREAKS Insert was completely painted over. I did say that the
translucent paints were used on the poster. Since I had some personal
interest in the poster at the time of the auction, from what I
understood there wasn't much paint used on the poster to begin with.
Actually, the poster was originally in great shape and unfolded, but it
did have a slight amount of fading which was expertly corrected, but
not by covering the entire poster in paint.
Not all colors on a poster will fade and/or will fade evenly and at the
same time, so even when translucent paints are used, it would be a rare
case where an entire poster would have to be completely painted over.
It's a rare case for any poster to have to be completely painted over,
not just by translucent paints, but any paints.
It is "good news" say for instance, if only the lettering is faded,
such as on Michael's poster (not sure if this is the case) and all it
would take is a small amount of paint to make the lettering look much
better. I don't see anything wrong with this. It's a lot more
pleasing to the eye, and you're not looking at a newly created painting.
Todd
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:35:37 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] assessing fading
Todd,
Now, see, I consider that to be creating a fake poster. Reapplying
color to an entire poster -- rather than one small damaged piece of it
-- is completely *changing* the original poster and even if it is
"translucent color" I'm sure such a process is irreversible and it is
over-painting, pure and simple. The fact that it can be done skillfully
instead of in a clumsy way by some amateur with colored markers makes
no difference as far as "authenticity" goes. I hardly consider the
advent of this translucent over-painting "restoration" technique to be
"good news".
This is part of the new technology problem our hobby-industry is faced
with. How can a FREAKS insert that was badly faded be completely
*repainted* -- every inch of it -- and then still be worth $100,000? If
that's the case, then everything is fair game and we should all stop
worrying about "the amount of restoration which has been done" -- hey,
if it's undetectable what does it matter, right? Of course, this means
that any fake, unless badly done, is no longer a fake and getting a
genuine 'original' is now impossible to count on anymore.
My advice to those of you who have posters you bought 15 years ago or
earlier -- don't sell 'em. Hold on to them. At least you know they are
real.
-- JR
Todd Feiertag wrote:
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Ok, the good news...there are translucent paints which are now used by
some restorers, including Jaime...yes, I know, Jaime. By using these
translucent colors, you're not completely painting over an image but
enhancing it, so to speak as you can see through this type of paint. I
know that Jaime used these paints on the $100,000.00 FREAKS 14x36, so
if it was good enough for a $100,000.00 FREAKS Insert, it should be
good enough for your THIRD MAN Insert and will really make it a lot
more presentable and also worth more if you decide to sell it sometime
down the road.
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