Jim First, I can really sympathize with your situation and it was never our intention to add insult to injury. However, Debi came to us and asked us how she should handle the situation. We have NEVER advised Debi to not refund the money. Because of the way this situation was handled in the first place, we advised her to go to an attorney and do it the proper way so that she would have the documentation and card necessary to try to recover her losses, including the insert that Haggard got from her, from other parties. Any prudent business person would have done the same thing. Remember, once she refunds the money, she is then out the money AND her poster. Without proper documentation, she cannot take any further steps to seek recovery from other parties. We would never have addressed this situation on a public forum. However, Sean caste a disparaging light on LAMP and ALL our dealers and sponsors without obviously knowing the facts. If he did know the facts, he sure didn't make that clear. He instead decided to take a swipe at us and ALL of our other dealers and sponsors. You acknowledge that you and Debi were pushed into this transaction. I feel very confident that this situation will be resolved between the two of you, but it should be done properly in light of the current situation with the fake posters and lawsuits. You have already been victimized -- we were simply advising Debi to take the proper legal steps to prevent the same from happening to her. I worked in the law field for 30 years and I will ALWAYS suggest that matters be handled legally to avoid this kind of mess. I disagree that advising someone to seek counsel is "bad advice" and I won't stop doing it. . Sue
_____ From: JIM GRESHAM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 08:42 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [MOPO] Outed at last - Avoid this LAMP approved dealer Susan, I am totally shocked at your false accusations. I am laying low because Kerry can use anything against me. But this is awful, your comments are 100% wrong. I have NEVER refused to give Debi information, the report, or the poster. To say differently is 100% false. I have always intended to give her the report and the poster. Debi never once asked me for it, until an e mail at 7:32 this evening. And, I immediately responded that the poster is at Carol Tincups as well as the report. I told her, if she intends to make this right, I would be happy to send her the card and the information. Secondly, there is only one person who gained financially from that transaction. Debi got 100% of the money. Yes, Kerry and Freeman did push Debi & I. But, Debi sold me Kerrys card. debi got the check, Debi got the profit. Yes, I have been very frustrated. Every legitimate dealer has stepped up to make things right. Heritage never argued, just reimbursed. Profiles in History, paid people immediately. Poor Joe has been maligned, yet I tell you he made things right immediately. Even Filmfootage who is very much doubted, is working to make things 100% correct. He is standing up to his fakes and reimbursing people. I myself am making things correct, despite the fact that I have been shafted to the tune of almost my entire retirement. Yet, I am making things right if I sold a card from the "alleged thief." Susan, what would you do if it was you who were out $900,000? I bet you wouldn't be nearly as understanding. I like you & I like Ed. Ed has even offered to help our attorney. However, you are NOT the authority on this. Please stop giving bad advice. Please. Debi sold me a bad card, and I expect her to make it right. Its pretty easy to be an expert when you have NO MONEY involved. I have enough problems without answering every goofy posting. Please let Debi & I work this out. It was only that e mail 2 hours ago where she indicated she would. Everyone needs to step up to their mistakes. Even if its not their fault. I have a couple of cards and a major trade that I will be addressing. They total over $50,000. But the right thing is for me to try and resolve things. The same is true with Debi. Susan, you have no idea how much the legal fee's are. I feel responsible for our hobby. Despite the fact that there is serious doubt as to what I will ever recoup, I am forging ahead. I feel the need to represent our hobby and make sure the guy who "allegedly" screwed up our hobby pays for his wrong doings. Is anyone willing to help with the finances? I dont think so. Yet, I want to help our hobby despite the costs. Yes, I want to get even. But I am doing it for the little guys. I am doing for the 20 people I am aware of who were taken. Is it too much for me to ask one legitimate dealer to reimburse me for the fake card? I dont think so. Sean was correct. His point is that people need to step up and do the right thing. Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct. Ray, Mi 48096 586 677-7669 Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com _____ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:03:59 -0500 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Outed at last - Avoid this LAMP approved dealer To: [email protected] When you make an accusatory statement such as this on a public forum you should first know all the facts and not present just part of them -- in all fairness to the parties involved. I can only assume that you are referring to the "convoluted transaction" that transpired a year ago between Gresham, Haggard (who Debi didn't even know and still doesn't), Debi and a fourth party acting as an agent. The transaction involved a poster Debi owned that Haggard wanted. He wanted to trade one of his posters along with some cash. By the end of this transaction, the poster that Gresham received WAS NOT Debi's but was from Haggard. Now, a year later, Gresham is demanding Debi refund the money but refusing to provide a report establishing that it is indeed a fake, without returning the alleged fake piece and telling her NOT to seek the advice of an attorney. We told Debi and Gresham that we suggested that Debi NOT proceed until she had time to speak with her attorney on how to proceed and protect her rights against one or all of the parties involved in this tangled mess. Debi wants to do the right thing and has not refused to refund the money -- she just wants to protect her rights to proceed. If not, Debi is then left with no money and no poster. To date, Gresham REFUSES to even send the fraud report and he HAS NOT assured her that she will get the "alleged" fake poster back so that she can proceed against the other parties. NO REPORT -- NO POSTER -- NO ATTORNEY -- JUST SEND ME THE MONEY! She is simply being pressured to send a refund -- no questions asked. I don't know any business person in her situation who would not want to protect herself. This situation is NOT a straight up sale between two individuals and your email leads EVERYONE to believe that it was. Next time, why don't you just ASK the parties involved and get ALL the facts before you post an inflamatory email that could ultimately hurt Debi's business and cast doubt on LAMP dealers and sponsors. We have spoken with Debi in detail AND with Gresham in detail to make sure that we had all the facts. APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T. Ed specifically told Gresham that he had advised Debi NOT to proceed without speaking with counsel and WE STAND BY THAT ADVICE. I would definitely question the motives of ANYONE who would advise a colleague NOT TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF AN ATTORNEY. Sue _____ From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Linkenback Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 06:47 To: [email protected] Subject: [MOPO] Outed at last - Avoid this LAMP approved dealer For the past couple of weeks I have been openly wondering about whom Bruce was referring when he stated in one of his email messages: "It seems that some of those who unknowingly sold some of these as middlemen are taking the odd position that they have no liability in this, and that they want the people they unknowingly cheated to join them in lawsuits against those they obtained the fakes from, and that they won't be refunding those they unknowingly cheated." Naturally, I personally would not want to deal with anyone who was not accepting any responsibility in this sort of a situation. At last I have finally found the dealer (or at least one of them) that Bruce was hinting at: It is none other than Debi Jacobson from L'Imagerie Gallery in California. What is even worse is that Mrs. Jacobson is a LAMP approved dealer and supposedly represents the "very best our hobby has to offer." Apparently Mrs. Jacobson has known for a couple of months now that a lobby card she sold to a prominent collector has been determined by third-party authentication to be fake, and she has not made even an offer of one penny of restitution to the purchaser. This is another shameful black eye, and a horrible position for one of the supposed premier galleries in the hobby to take, but I guess it's ok to cheat people when you are LAMP-approved. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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