I consider myself a reputable dealer and I have handled several of these minty white inserts and half sheets and I know for a fact that they are 100% UNCATAGORICALLY TRULY ORIGINAL........... FAKE POSTERS!
I have not been stung thankfully on these posters howver I have had one or two in collections and I keep these examples to prove originality of the true objec. -----Original Message----- From: David Lieberman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 7:53 Subject: Re: [MOPO] MINTY WHITE INSERTS I repeat: they were printed several years after the films were originally released. for some of the titles they used the same "plates".........if they were available. Some were, some weren't. some of them were made using the same printing "elements"..........so they are sort of restrikes....... so whether you want to call them restrikes, sort of restrikes, reprints, repros...........whatever.........it isn't really that important........what is important is that they are NOT original. it is totally plausible that the bad guys bought a few thousand of each for just pennies a piece directly from the source 20+ years ago......and that they still have plenty of them left. A few months ago I personally acquired 600 of the FAKE star wars style c one sheets (which I gave one away for free to anyone who wanted one a few months ago...permanently marked as FAKE).....and my source still has another roll of 300 in her closet. So my point is that these fakes were produced in MASS quantities and it is totally plausible that the bad guys still have stacks of them even after all these years. I do not think they are still printing the inserts..........but that is just my opinion......and anything is possible........they could possibly still be making them, but I would be very surprised if they were. as for the minty white lobby card sets.......its probably a similar kind of story except that it is a little more plausible (in my opinion) that they are still printing them....... David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:28:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [email protected] writes: David, You could be right about an employee of the print shop doing restrikes after hours using the same press, plates and paper as the genuine strikes. But, in that case, they aren't really "fakes" at all, are they? Since they are 100% identical to those inserts which were printed by the same employee during regular business hours? What makes them fake -- the fact that they were printed after hours but nothing else? No, that doesn't float. If there's no way to identify a difference between with a microscope or chemical paper analysis, then it's not viable to say "well this one was printed after hours and so it is a fake even though it is 100% physically identical to this original one over here, which was printed 6 hours earlier during regular business hours." Now if there is a subtle difference in image size or area, a slight difference of text placement, etc., then you've got something to work with. But why would a restrike from a genuine original plate have a different image size or text position? It wouldn't. The only way that would happen is if someone used a genuine original poster for their artwork in the plate-making process and had to zoom and crop it a tiny bit to make it work (or were just sloppy and didn't notice they had cropped the artwork a tiny bit). So restrikes don't work for me as an explanation if there is a difference in image size, area, text placement or "fuzziness" of printing. With a restrike from original plates you would have none of that. The big thing that made people start wondering about the Mintys was the fact that certain specific sellers seemed to have a unlimited supply of inserts for certain titles -- and the use of inserts was fading away at the time these films were released and fewer inserts were being officially printed than in earlier decades. So, having an unlimited supply to sell is a big red flag (thus their "warehouse find" cover story). But unlimited supply doesn't fit in with your employee-after-hours-restrikes theory because surely the guy doesn't still work for that 1970's or 1980's print shop and surely the plates are still not available to him, much less the original type of paper? How come they haven't run out of the restrikes? What, this after-hours guy printed up thousands of these restrikes for this very odd variety of titles back in the late 70s and early 80s and then held onto them all these years waiting for EBay to be invented so he could dump them on the market? Doesn't compute. The "warehouse find" explanation actually seems more likely to me than that, and I don't buy the warehouse find explanation. If they were restrikes made 20- to 30- odd years ago, surely the original restrike print run would have been exhausted by now? This leads me to suspect that most of the Mintys, if not all, were not restrikes from original plates but just very good quality printing plates made using genuine original posters as the artwork for the plate making process -- and I suspect new inventory is still being printed (or could be printed). -- JR David Lieberman wrote: how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;) The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's. They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after hours" at the same place the originals were printed years before (at one of the nss printing facilities).....that is why the quality is just as good as the originals.........that is why they fooled so many people......and that is why they still fool people today. Some are virtually identical with the same art cropping etc., and some have the artwork slightly cropped. The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj, scarface, blade runner, manhattan. There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed around the same time. They probably came from the same source as the minty white inserts (at least that's my humble opinion!). The manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars a,b,c one sheets.....as well as several others. We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups of some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place though on the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we haven't done only because we haven't had a fake one and a real one in stock at the same time so we could compare them side by side. Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat out wrong. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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