I agree with David that the Star Wars posters may well have been
printed "after hours" from the original plates.
But I have never seen a single minty white insert or lobby card that
appears to have been printed this way.
All the ones I have seen was clearly copied from an original,
resulting in a loss of print quality.
Show me one insert on the weird paper stock that was only used for
minty whites that has print quality that matches the original. Send it
to me, and I will run great images of it in my club.
Bruce
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:53 AM, David Lieberman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I repeat:
they were printed several years after the films were originally
released.
for some of the titles they used the same "plates".........if they
were available. Some were, some weren't.
some of them were made using the same printing
"elements"..........so they are sort of restrikes.......
so whether you want to call them restrikes, sort of restrikes,
reprints, repros...........whatever.........it isn't really that
important........what is important is that they are NOT original.
it is totally plausible that the bad guys bought a few thousand of
each for just pennies a piece directly from the source 20+ years
ago......and that they still have plenty of them left.
A few months ago I personally acquired 600 of the FAKE star wars
style c one sheets (which I gave one away for free to anyone who
wanted one a few months ago...permanently marked as FAKE).....and
my source still has another roll of 300 in her closet. So my point
is that these fakes were produced in MASS quantities and it is
totally plausible that the bad guys still have stacks of them even
after all these years.
I do not think they are still printing the inserts..........but
that is just my opinion......and anything is possible........they
could possibly still be making them, but I would be very surprised
if they were.
as for the minty white lobby card sets.......its probably a
similar kind of story except that it is a little more plausible
(in my opinion) that they are still printing them.......
David Lieberman
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In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:28:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard
Tim, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> writes:
David,
You could be right about an employee of the print shop doing
restrikes after hours using the same press, plates and paper
as the genuine strikes. But, in that case, they aren't really
"fakes" at all, are they? Since they are 100% identical to
those inserts which were printed by the same employee during
regular business hours? What makes them fake -- the fact that
they were printed after hours but nothing else? No, that
doesn't float. If there's no way to identify a difference
between with a microscope or chemical paper analysis, then
it's not viable to say "well this one was printed after hours
and so it is a fake even though it is 100% physically
identical to this original one over here, which was printed 6
hours earlier during regular business hours."
Now if there is a subtle difference in image size or area, a
slight difference of text placement, etc., then you've got
something to work with. But why would a restrike from a
genuine original plate have a different image size or text
position? It wouldn't. The only way that would happen is if
someone used a genuine original poster for their artwork in
the plate-making process and had to zoom and crop it a tiny
bit to make it work (or were just sloppy and didn't notice
they had cropped the artwork a tiny bit). So restrikes don't
work for me as an explanation if there is a difference in
image size, area, text placement or "fuzziness" of printing.
With a restrike from original plates you would have none of that.
The big thing that made people start wondering about the
Mintys was the fact that certain specific sellers seemed to
have a unlimited supply of inserts for certain titles -- and
the use of inserts was fading away at the time these films
were released and fewer inserts were being officially printed
than in earlier decades. So, having an unlimited supply to
sell is a big red flag (thus their "warehouse find" cover
story). But unlimited supply doesn't fit in with your
employee-after-hours-restrikes theory because surely the guy
doesn't still work for that 1970's or 1980's print shop and
surely the plates are still not available to him, much less
the original type of paper?
How come they haven't run out of the restrikes? What, this
after-hours guy printed up thousands of these restrikes for
this very odd variety of titles back in the late 70s and early
80s and then held onto them all these years waiting for EBay
to be invented so he could dump them on the market? Doesn't
compute. The "warehouse find" explanation actually seems more
likely to me than that, and I don't buy the warehouse find
explanation.
If they were restrikes made 20- to 30- odd years ago, surely
the original restrike print run would have been exhausted by now?
This leads me to suspect that most of the Mintys, if not all,
were not restrikes from original plates but just very good
quality printing plates made using genuine original posters as
the artwork for the plate making process -- and I suspect new
inventory is still being printed (or could be printed).
-- JR
David Lieberman wrote:
how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;)
The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late
1980's. They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most
likely done "after hours" at the same place the originals
were printed years before (at one of the nss printing
facilities).....that is why the quality is just as good as
the originals.........that is why they fooled so many
people......and that is why they still fool people today.
Some are virtually identical with the same art cropping etc.,
and some have the artwork slightly cropped.
The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake
inserts include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star
wars, esb, rotj, scarface, blade runner, manhattan.
There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets
printed around the same time. They probably came from the
same source as the minty white inserts (at least that's my
humble opinion!). The manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh,
rocky horror 1sh, star wars a,b,c one sheets.....as well
as several others.
We have done several comparisons side by side and have close
ups of some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in
one place though on the website. Some of them (like scarface
and manhattan) we haven't done only because we haven't had a
fake one and a real one in stock at the same time so we could
compare them side by side.
Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is
flat out wrong.
David Lieberman
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