I'm guessing it's because nobody noticed until now. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Hershenson To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around?
Maybe I missed this answer, but why all the uproar over this when it was filed 6 months ago? Bruce On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Franc <[email protected]> wrote: Correct. I gather some of the posters MG reproduces are actually licensed, so it's possible MG licensed and reproduced posters and then didn't pay the license fees. We have to wait for the details before making a judgement. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? that is an entirely different tact for them to approach, but seeing as we have not yet seen the complaint we don't know if they're suing for intellectual rights, trademarks or copyright violations.. all of which MovieGoods is apparently guilty of..They could even be suing on all three perspectives.. we need to read the complaint to find out. they could also be suing on one of those issues and leaving open the door for the others if they lose this suit. we need to read the complaint At 02:02 PM 1/27/2010, Garth Grieder wrote: If one searches the trademark database, there are tons of trademarks owned by Disney for various forms of "stylized writing", which include the block style lettering of Mickey Mouse and other characters, exactly as printed on those posters. The Walt Disney signature is also a trademarked image that is printed on many of these posters. The great majority of these posters also include the studio's logo (Warner, Universal, 20th Century ect) which are trademarked. Wouldn't it be in violation of that trademark to print these logos on the posters? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jeff Potokar <[email protected]> wrote: Hey Franc, I'm sure Ed Poole from LAMP will chime in here. He is THE MAN when it comes to copyright issues and the historical legality of it all, NSS, etc. best. Jeff On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Franc wrote: I guess Disney has enough money to pursue a suit to determine whether or not their posters are protected by copyright. As long as I can remember, the legal view of it was that because these posters were produced for promotional distribution purposes, anyone had the right to freely use, duplicate and distribute the image on the posters. Disney could be claiming (and I don't know if they are) that their characters are trademark and hence the posters can't be reproduced because it contains their trademark characters. I'd like to read more about the case. IF that's indeed Disney's claim then a decision in this case probably wouldn't effect the other posters reproduced by MovieGoods. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Lataille Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? I didn't realize they have over 65,000 items on Ebay. From: Tom A. Pennock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? Hi Andy: Thank's so much for posting this. I wondered for years how long Moviegoods could get away with this. I always considered it copyright infringement even though they thought the posters were in the public domain. They have been making money hand over fist for many years. Interesting! Thank's again! --Tom Pennock In a message dated 1/27/2010 3:16:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: 1-0 to Karma! http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-2:2009cv04968/case_id-448705/ Discuss... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. At 02:09 PM 1/27/2010, Franc wrote: That's exactly what I said in my earlier post, namely that Disney was claiming intellectual property infringement because certain elements of their posters i.e. their characters were trademark protected, not because the poster itself was copyright. Trademark and copyright are different issues but I'm only guessing at their case. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garth Grieder Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? If one searches the trademark database, there are tons of trademarks owned by Disney for various forms of "stylized writing", which include the block style lettering of Mickey Mouse and other characters, exactly as printed on those posters. The Walt Disney signature is also a trademarked image that is printed on many of these posters. The great majority of these posters also include the studio's logo (Warner, Universal, 20th Century ect) which are trademarked. Wouldn't it be in violation of that trademark to print these logos on the posters? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jeff Potokar <[email protected]> wrote: Hey Franc, I'm sure Ed Poole from LAMP will chime in here. He is THE MAN when it comes to copyright issues and the historical legality of it all, NSS, etc. best. Jeff On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Franc wrote: I guess Disney has enough money to pursue a suit to determine whether or not their posters are protected by copyright. As long as I can remember, the legal view of it was that because these posters were produced for promotional distribution purposes, anyone had the right to freely use, duplicate and distribute the image on the posters. Disney could be claiming (and I don't know if they are) that their characters are trademark and hence the posters can't be reproduced because it contains their trademark characters. I'd like to read more about the case. IF that's indeed Disney's claim then a decision in this case probably wouldn't effect the other posters reproduced by MovieGoods. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Lataille Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? I didn't realize they have over 65,000 items on Ebay. From: Tom A. Pennock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] What goes around comes around? Hi Andy: Thank's so much for posting this. I wondered for years how long Moviegoods could get away with this. I always considered it copyright infringement even though they thought the posters were in the public domain. They have been making money hand over fist for many years. Interesting! Thank's again! --Tom Pennock In a message dated 1/27/2010 3:16:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: 1-0 to Karma! http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-2:2009cv04968/case_id-448705/ Discuss... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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