Thierry
I'm surprised at you. What purpose is served by ranting against Andy
because he wants to make money or because he chooses who shall or
shall not post on MPF??
something that I have always understood is that when I'm in someone's
home, I'm there "at their pleasure" and when I am there, I must
adhere to the "rules of the house". that means if Mary (she's
Chinese) wants you to take off your shoes at the door.. you take your
shoes off at the door. Or if Danny says "no political or religious
conversations" that you don't have any political or religious
conversations. Or if Roxanne says "no smoking in the house" no one
smokes in her house.. It a courtesy to the host. Such courtesies are
ignored at the offender's risk.
similarly, when I'm at MoPo, NSF, APF or MPF, that I am there only as
long as I mind my manners in correlation to the rules of that house.
I'm sure that all of us have certain disagreements with how a forum
or business should be run. For instance, I strongly disagree with
Ari's philosophy that someone can say anything they want on NSF -
even to anonymously attack members with lies - with impunity. But it
is Ari's site to do with as he pleases, just as MoPo is setup the way
Scott pleases and APF is setup the way you and Holiday please. You
all have differing philosophies in some respects.
It takes time and effort to operate a website or forum and if Andy
chooses to profit from his work, as a businessman I do not see
anything wrong with that. I am a paid sponsor. If I felt Andy's price
for paid sponsorship was too high, or not worthwhile - I wouldn't pay
for the service or I'd tell him so and try to work out something
mutually acceptable
Similarly, while I do not know (because I never read the complaining
thread of banishment on NSF) why someone was banned from MPF, I do
not care and my feeling is that whatever precipitated that member's
banishment is between him and Andy. Obviously Andy felt the member
was out of line by Andy's standards (and I'm guessing it was not the
first time, as it never is) and Andy banned him.
You know what, I'll ban anyone I feel like banning at MPB if I choose
and I did indeed ban someone from the site just 2 weeks ago (it's
great to get revenge). the newly registered member screwed me on
fleaBay back in 2003. She wanted me to pay the paypal payment fees
and fleaBay listing fees for 2 photoplay editions "because they sold
too low" and so I complained to fleaBay and paypal. (I'll bet I
posted about this back in 2003). Well, she didn't like that too much,
especially as fleaBay (according to her) threatened to un-register
her, and Paypal warned (according to her) that they would close her
account if she requests buyers to pay her fees. I paid for the 2
books (a whopping $30), and they were never received (I'm positive
she never sent them). Then she left negative feedback on what was a
pristine account of almost 2000 feedbacks. It was my only neg on that
account before I closed it i protest against selling on fleaBay.
Well, 3 weeks ago she signed on because I had some Barrymore items
listed (yeah, you folks know who she is now, don't you?). I
recognized her name immediately and I banned the account. She screwed
me. She will not have a chance to screw anyone on my site. She wrote
when she tried to log back on to bid and could not get on. I reminded
her of exactly what she did, of which she was blissfully ignorant of
the past. But she will also be un-blissfully banned from MPB
for-ev-er. Something that as fleaBay goes down down down she will
probably find more and more objectionable. She should not have tried
to screw me in 2003.. Her chickens are now home to roost
I think all of the forums create a certain benefit to the hobby.
I believe that I have to work with Heritage, or Bruce or anyone else
within the constraints of good taste, even if we are at some level
competitors.I believe MPF, MoPo, NSF & APF should be doing the same
and all the pissing fights are childish.
Each forum can choose to operate the way they choose to operate. But
what they cannot or should not do is try to impose on each other is
each other's philosophies in the name of "professing a better hobby".
What my neighbor does inside his house is his business. What he does
on the street is a different matter. Or if my neighbor blasts his
music at 3am is a different matter. Or if he throws his garbage on my
lawn, or on my patio or in my driveway. But what he does inside his
house - as long as he is not disruptive to his neighbors on the
street - is his own business and what I think he should be doing does
not matter one wit. It's absolutely none of my business.. until he
gets in front of my house and starts his yapping
MPF belongs to Andy
APF belongs to you and Holiday
NSF belongs to Ari
and MoPo belongs to Scott
if any of you wants to make money from your endeavors, that is a
personal choice just as banning any member you choose to is also your
choice and if anyone wants to ban every member.. so be it. It's an
exercise of justified rights and for my money, if NSF isn't going to
ban braying jackasses like Douche Hershenson (for those of you who
don't know, that is not Bruce.. it is an anonymous moron who likes to
post shit and someone who has no connection to Bruce), I'm not so
sure that it's the kind of place to use as a measure for rules on
other sites (I'm not saying you are, just an example).
I will commend Holiday for taking action on an issue (behind the
scenes) that he took on my behalf this month at APF. To me it was a
right-headed approach to the issue and I have no doubt it stopped in
it's tracks coming behavior from someone who most likely is "the
Douche" and who is a member on this forum. Behavior that would not
have been beneficial to APF of course would only have triggered
another public fight. Any forum owner who does this stuff is doing
what he believes is in his best interests, and most of the time, what
a forum owner does in that regard is a general benefit to the hobby
of which we are all part.
Don't get me wrong.. I like and am friends with each of you who run
the forums. My post is something to help add some perspective from
outside.. You have to get along, or all you create is negativity,
which is detrimental to any subject.
Rich
At 10:17 AM 2/21/2010, Thierry Brame wrote:
You want to talk about disgraceful behavior, Andy. How about you
banning people left and right simply because they disagree with you,
or banning Joneyy because he disagreed with your banners placement.
How many people have you banned so far, Andy? 50? 100?
The reason we left MPF is that it had become about MONEY, YOUR MONEY
and how much PROFIT you could make from YOUR FORUM, squeezing it left
and right from every member and anyone who dares advertising. Because
at the end of the day, MPF is NOT a forum about posters, it's a
VEHICLE to raise MONEY. It's all about ADS, and your recent endeavor
in trying to raise more MONEY with the creation of an authentication
site, when you know very well it already exists thru Jeannie, is truly
despicable.
By the same token, coming on MoPo and lying about the amount of
members MPF has, when you very well know a lot of people have 3, 4,
sometimes more memberships, is as despicable as my email. And I'm not
even talking about spammers. And since you control it all in your
little dark room, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually created
members to inflate the tally. 80% of MPF members post only once. Why
is that, Andy?
So although I completely agree that my tone on this email was
borderline aggressive and totally uncalled for (I was probably having
a bad day, which can happen to anyone,) and for that I apologize), you
are no one to give behavior lessons. Besides, it was a private email
that wasn't meant to be disclosed, and now here you are, publishing it
to the world.
Another DESPERATE ATTEMPT to RAISE MONEY, Andy? How much do you need,
I'll write you a check ASAP.
Thierry
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