Hi John, I agree and don't like the definitions at all.
To me "Vintage" is not really a definition of the technique used to derive the image but simply more a designation of age or almost of provenance. I would certainly consider, for example, a 1940's photograph released by Universal for one of their 1930's horror film re-releases to still be a "Vintage" photograph. I also see a difference between a studio re-released photograph and one made from the original negative by an individual in their darkroom, for example. But it sounds like either would be glommed under ORIGINAL. And I don't get "Contemporary" at all. Again, it does not go to the technique used to derive the image. It sounds, by their definition, that it would be a photograph OF a photgraph. And from that negatvie successive prints were made. To me that is a reproduction and nothing more. I would consider an old original negative being printed today to be a CONTEMPORARY print. They list the definitions here on the net: http://www.cgccomics.com/Vintage.asp VINTAGE - A photograph printed from the original negative at or near the time that the photograph was taken. ORIGINAL - A photograph printed from the original negative. CONTEMPORARY - A photograph derived by photographic processes from an original image. Pov May the holes in your collection be filled. ----- Original Message ---- From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 2:49:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Slabbing Question Hi Pov I asked the question about the difference in definition between "Vintage" and "Original" after I had ordered a bunch of slabbed stills so that I could have a look at them first hand. The definition of "Vintage" is listed in the guarantee on the back of the card: "A vintage photograph is considered "authentic" if it was printed from the original negative on or near the time that the photograph was taken". That's fine but there was no definition of "original" on the website to compare "Vintage" to "Original" so thats why I was curious. From your email and according to CGC, it is better to have a "Vintage" still than an "Original" still. This might confuse many collectors who attach a different meaning to the word "original". According to CGC a still can only fall into three categories. However, Bruce currently has a load of stills on auction and he is obviously an acknowledged and well respected expert in grading stills probably with many more years of experience than CGC. He is referring to many of the stills in his auction as "Vintage Original" which seems quite a reasonable description for many of the stills he has. However, if you go by CGC categories that is a contradiction in terms as they say that an "original" is a lesser still than a "vintage" still. No wonder collectors get confused with different description levels from different dealers and, now, authentication services. And this doesnt even consider the grading levels with the various interpretations of "fine" etc. The stills I received all look quite good in their "slabs" but they were all quite low value items and the cost of getting them appraised and slabbed would have been far more than the items actually sold for. That indicates that an effort is being made to get slabbed lobby cards and stills out into the market so that they will be come an accepted form of authentication. I know that many people collect stills so hopefully all of this discussion will be of interest to them. Regards John Website: www.moviemem.com JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA PO Box 92 Palm Beach Qld 4221 Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Spampinato" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [MOPO] Lobby Card "Slabs" - my chat with CGC > I just got off the phone with CGC and asked them several questions about > "slabbing" lobby cards, which they were quite happy to answer. > > > The Plastic Case Itself > First, the "case" is nothing like a baseball card's or comic book's thick, hard > case. > It is essentially encapsulation. The lobby card is sealed between two sheets of > archival Barex plastic. It is not laminated and is free within the sealed >Barex. > The plastic sheets are about 10-12mil thick each and fairly stiff. They measure > 12.5" x 16". > > There is a 3 hole punch on the top end if you want to put them in a binder. On > the right short end is the label itself. They can be framed as is and will fit > fine behind a matte board in a frame. > The card can be removed by cutting the case open. > > The Label > The label contains the following info: > Grade > Title > Date > Studio > Distributor number (such as the NGC 54-127 for example) > Major performers > In the case of a re-release, that is notated and the date is listed as R-19XX, > with a notation to the re-releasing company and also a notation of the original > release date. > Other notations may include some factual info such as the film won an Academy > Award > > Restoration > Restored cards get a purple color label. > Restoration is noted as Amateur (A) or Professional (P) > Extent of restoration is designated Slight, Moderate or Extensive > So a card with Slight Professional restoration would get a "Slight (P)" > designation > > Graders Notes > Generally graders notes are not generally made. Some notes are used to record >an > unusual defect. > > > So that is some basic information. > > I DO understand the negative reactions going around. But some of this seems to > be based on misunderstanding, disinformation or kneejerk reactions. > > > There IS one thing I really cannot understand though: the popularity of linen > and paper-backed pieces in a hobby where so many people are saying they would > miss the feel of the paper if it were encapsulated. I have to ask if these folk > have any linen/paper backed pieces? If so, do they actually "feel" like a >poster > to you? To me they don't feel at all like posters, or even "paper". The paper > backed ones feels like, well, cardboard and linen backed feels actually rather > "icky" to me and far from movie paper. :) > > Pov > > May the holes in your collection be filled. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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