you're a luddyduddy without a doubt
probably also a jabbernowl and a mooncalf
I wouldn't doubt if your name is really Og Oggilby
At 02:00 AM 4/17/2012, Adrian Cowdry wrote:
What the hells a luddyduddy?
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From: Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]>
To: MoPo-L <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:00
Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE
I heard that was (at that time) the only known Annie Hall one-sheet,
which was why it went so high.
Bruce
P.S. Full disclosure: Joe Burtis is a jabbernowl, a mooncalf, and a
luddyduddy.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Joe Burtis
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I, too, was at the dinner that Helmut mentioned, and clearly
remember the consignors plainly stating they destroyed the
additional copies. The Christie's expert believed them who, full
disclosure, is a good friend of mine. I'm sure some people at
Christie's believed them and others didn't. This "conspiracy" is a
pretty dull one.
As far as press statements, they blanketed London with press for
every one of their auctions, which is why wealthy novices showed up
and purchased Annie Hall one sheets for 4,000USD.
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From: <mailto:[email protected]>David Kusumoto
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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE
For Christie's to be "unaware" of other copies of "The Outlaw" is
just one point of dispute. Let's say you accept Christie's
statement which implies it "DID NOT KNOW about other copies" as
truth. Then how you reconcile the portion of its statement - on its
own stationary - that says the consignors (Robert and Patricia
League) - destroyed a second copy? I've been in press relations a
long time. Either you believe the entire statement, or none of it,
or dismiss everything as hype. If you believe just part of it, it
means you think some of it is truth and the rest is a lie. Either
way, this compromises Christie's reputation. I agree with Adrian -
I KNOW Christie's was aware of additional copies. That's why the
story was printed in the media. The best way to understand this is
for you, as a dealer, to put yourself in Christie's shoes, based on
what you know. Would you add in your official statement - a
reference that an extra copy has been "destroyed?" Putting out a
press statement is very unusual in this case. But as I wrote before
- and as Helmut correctly points out - all of this could have been
avoided if Christie's simply said this poster was the "first ever
brought to auction" - instead of this poster "is the only copy in
existence." - d.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:54:52 -0400
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: SO RARE
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
PLEASE LET ME STATE THAT I HAVE NO AGENDA TOWARD ANYONE.
My point is that Christies should have been fair with the Outlaw Six
Sheet and that Christies have a few dark stories. We all know that.
As for the Six Sheet and it's subsequent stories...many American
auction houses and dealers knew of the owners having several
copies...this comes down to pure research. And all concerned except
Christies UK knew that there were four copies...how could this be?
Christies are supposed to research these things.
Any way Helmut and the rest you don't need this so let this be the
end of this thread.
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From: Helmut Hamm <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: MoPo-L <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:23
Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE
Adrian,
with all due respect, but your persistance on this matter is quite
obviously a thinly disguised way to express your personal aversion
against a certain former Christies consultant. I can't speak for
anybody else, but personally, I don't need this.
About the 'fraud': I was at the actual sale at Christie's South
Kensington, and I met the consignors at the time of the sale. They
might have been lying through their teeth, but at the time of the
sale, they were VERY convincing in their statement that additional
copies had indeed been destroyed, and that the one for sale was the
only one in existence. What do you expect an auction house to do,
put them to a lie detector test? Also, if I could speak to them and
get my own impression, so could anybody else. It's not that either
the consignor or the consultant had been hiding in the shadows.
For all I know, any allegation that Christie's, their consultant, or
anybody else aside from the consignors, had any actual KNOWLEDGE of
additional copies is simply not true. They could have, and maybe
should have, SUSPECTED additional copies, but there was no way they
could have actually KNOWN about them.
This poster got a lot of media attention at the time of the sale,
and if Christie's had labeled this as 'first time at auction'
instead of 'only known copy' I seriously doubt that it would have
hurt the price. Only copy or not, when you see this in person, it is
an amazing piece and this was the FIRST TIME this poster showed up
for sale. With items like this, it's usually the first one that
brings in the big money, and Christie's UK was the perfect venue for the sale.
I've no clue who bought the first copy at Christie's, but they
always managed to draw a very unique crowd, including many
non-collectors, so chances are that the current owner is stil happy
with his purchase and probably couldn't care less about this discussion.
Helmut
The point is that an auction house as you implied...should be fair.
The consultant knew that there were four copis and yet he went ahead
and described the first Outlaw six sheet as the only one...then
three others arrive selling for (the last one) a third of the first ones price.
What the first one selling amounted to was fraud...
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